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WIGO numbering[edit]

Is there a table somewhere of WIGO numbers and whether they have a vote attached to them? I really doubt we've gone through 198,000 news stories. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 18:45, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

There is a database table, but also, why worry about it? We aren't gonna run out of a nextint() for a long time. I'd say just renumber the wrong one right now. AND THE REST OF YOU, USE THE DAMNED nextpoll=world NOT THIS MANUAL SHIT. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
That exists!? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Huh, didn't realise that was possible. Every WIGO I've added has been manual. --RWRW (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
When you edit the page, there's literally a link you can click above the edit panel that does it for you. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
lol noobs Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I never ever used those links lol. And besides, I don't see that specific tag anywhere... --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
The numbers are that high because somebody sometime accidentally added a digit, and then everyone after followed suit. And then it happened again. Avida Dollarsher again 16:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
IT'S HAPPENED AGAIN. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 14:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


What's with all the downvotes on the WIGO about Trump's veto on the Yemeni War resolution? It's a worthy story to be included on the page. Why don't people here think RW readers should know about things like this? Trump's deliberately continuing to aid the Saudi bloodbath in Yemen. That's something that should be on the WIGO page. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 02:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It's called Trump Derangemenent syndrome. Liberal and centrists are willing to support a genocidal war if Trump is against it. Tuxer (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
How backwards do you have it? The resolution was to end support for the genocidal war(though it won't actually end the war, since it's useful enough for house of saud to pay for themselves). Opposing trump and opposing genocide are in alignment today. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:01, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Like Reddit, votes are at times used to say "I (don't) like this" rather than "I (don't) think this is a (e.g.) relevant/valuable/accurate/etc. story". On top of that, anyone -- even randos popping through the site -- can vote on it, right? β„•oir LeSable (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I always took the votes to mean "I don't like this event", not "This is a good story". Is it supposed to be used for the quality of the story and not your opinion of the event? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Oof my WIGO about Biden standing in 2020 is sitting on -4. Guess there isn’t much love for Uncle Joe these days! β€”RWRW (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@RWRW It's probably because election news goes in WIGO elections. Avida Dollarsher again 16:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I also vote on whether or not I think this is a good thing - so stories bout Trump being a jerk generally get a downvote from me 'cos I don't like the crap he and his ilk keep pulling.Aloysius the Gaul 03:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Gavin Williamson: Fallout guy[edit]

1. it is Fall guy not Fallout guy 2. you are not a fall guy if you did what are accused of. who do you think he is taking a fall for? AMassiveGay (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Just posted to the WIGO[edit]

But holy shit is the republican descent into abortion madness becoming extreme. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:17, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh no![edit]

Not foods being labeled organic, when they don't actually fall into that vaguely defined meaningless category! How terrible! ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


Any news here about Modi winning reelection?

Well, if you find any feel free to post it. But post in What is going on: Elections, not here. The blue symbol links you there. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


Improvements my ass, @Nerd. β€” Oxyaena Harass 15:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Nerd vs Oxyaena[edit]

I've no idea what's going on, or why you both feel strongly about a minor wording edit, but perhaps you can discuss it here in a civilised manner. I don't want to spend my sunday evening sorting this crap out. In other news, I appear to have turned into my mother. Avida Dollarsher again 17:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Fuck off with your anal shit, this isn't Wikipedia asshole. β€” Oxyaena Harass 19:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Goddamn you, stop fucking whitewashing, @Nerd. This is not your playground, fuck off. β€” Oxyaena Harass 19:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I've run out of patience and I'm ready to Coop him. Avida Dollarsher again 20:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Is this about doing edits of WIGOs? I do that sometimes to fix grammar, spelling, or broken links; should I stop? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

2050 paper[edit]

Actually read it, please. Read the fucking paper. This is an "irreversible and self perpetuating by 2050" scenario the expand on. A common case in the literature today.

β€œβ€2050: By 2050, there is broad scientific acceptance

that system tipping-points for the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and a sea-ice-free Arctic summer were passed well before 1.5Β°C of warming, for the Greenland Ice Sheet well before 2Β°C, and for widespread permafrost loss and large-scale Amazon drought and dieback by 2.5Β°C. The β€œhothouse Earth” scenario has been realised, and Earth is headed for another degree or more of warming, especially since human greenhouse emissions are still significant.


Clickbait headlines are hell. Nowhere, not in any place do the authors project a collapse of human civilization in 2050. However, they project the irreversible climate change positive reinforcement forward to some disastrous scenarios(that could reasonably be called "collapse of civilization") by 2100. I hate the way headlines misrepresent very serious problems. Rationalwiki shouldn't be a place where dishonest headlines get reproduced verbatim. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Damn. Here I was all ready with my Interceptor and bondage gear. I just needed to wait until the right time to hoard enough gas to endlessly drive around screaming "I AM THE NIGHTRIDER!" Now my dreams are crushed.--Lgmr (talk) 22:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
The (low) chances of climate change leading to human extinction are briefly covered in Existential_risk#Climate_change. But with Extinction Rebellion and many others pushing the idea of imminent death for everybody, maybe a more in-depth article would be useful. (Is Extinction Rebellion in general worthy of critical analysis?) --Annanoon (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

police murder is worse than you think[edit]

two specific cases. 1. black guy sleeping in car shot to death by (seemingly white) police officers. 2. white woman phones in a reported rape shot to death by the responding black police officer. can you guess which one got jail time?

there is not just the obvious racial element here, the double standard in what gets punished, or race being a factor on how itchy the coppers trigger finger gets, but the right to bear arms makes police murder so much more likely.

your population is armed, so the police armed. we know the police are armed. the police however do not know who, out on the beat is armed. every person they see as they walk down the street might be armed. potentially ready to end their life. every twitch in the corner of their eye, every raised voice, every movement, every action, might be a gun being reached for. seconds to assess, react, to defend themselves with lethal force. they are trained to be ever ready, ever vigilant, constantly searching, day in day out. trained to respond with lethal force - not de-escalation, but lethal, and to make certain it is lethal, force.

this is not community policing, this is an occupying force. they are to serve and protect the community, but the community is the enemy. any one could put a bullet in their heads, the guy in shadows, him with a newspaper under his arm. the young mother might have a shotgun in her pram.

the population reacts accordingly. interactions with police require no sudden movements. raising your voice might be seen as readying to attack. you are a threat cuffed and face down on the floor. you are threat when sleeping in your car. tipping your hat to an officer as you walk past gets you shot. opening the door to the officer sent to house after you've been swatted is the last thing you ever do.

neither police or their communities trust each other. there is mutual fear of each other. everyone is on edge. police are more and more militarised. negative stories in press about police brutality. the lack of oversight. community outrage at senseless deaths. always ramping up tension. racism in all its forms, exasperating things.

all enabled by a right to bear arms. to protect you from your government. and you are shot taking nap.

this might be hyperbole from a fucknut across the pond, where only the most egregious cases make it, but holy shit theres so many cases. how close to reality is all this? is it even close? AMassiveGay (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Cops are intimidating, so while it may not exactly describe the reality of the matter, at least for middle class neighborhoods like the one where I live, the ghetto is a different story entirely, in poverty-stricken areas it is incredibly close. Poor people in general get the jackboot. β€” Oxyaena Harass 17:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
My sister and I had a discussion on how the gun culture exacerbates the police problem and is an overlooked aspect. It's not a discussion I get to talk about a lot especially since anti police seems to be a stronger in RationalWiki. It's a vicious cycle. The media sensationalize police brutality rather than promotes police doing their job as it's a shocking story that gets views, but it feeds into the perception that the police are aggressive and even come with conspiracies that they serve state interests before the community. So in turn, since they can't trust the police, they turn to guns and get brainwashed by the idea of self defense and vigilantism and evil government, both which interfere with police work, but the police have the added burden of assuming everyone is armed. This in turn causes police to act violently to avoid potential gunshot wounds, turning the community even more distrustful of police, racism making it worse. A lot of anti police sentiment I've seen stemmed from negative experience but anecdote is powerful. This could also be a chicken and egg problem though. I'm not sure what came first, fear of police or fear of community, but it's clear that gun culture is making it all worse. There's also the problem with community resources and how somewhat decentralized police departments are, as police departments do vary in policy and training quality and how they manage crime, though it leads to people generalizing all 1.1 million police as if they're from the same department and are in the same community, and good jobs by police are either dismissed as "puff pieces" or "they are from affulent communities and serve affulent people". Poverty and racism are related though, and since those two are related to crime, with poverty nearly always increasing crime and racism leading to more blacks incarcerated, with gun culture being a massive problem, it's complicated and I really don't think sharing stories of police killing people is helping at all. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Strongly agree. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I disagree with the not sharing stories of police killings. if they don't get spread, the issues presented wont be addressed. its easy to think things aren't an issue if its not in your community. its easy to dismiss anger in communities where it does as uppity rabble rousers who bring things on themselves. after all they've had no problems. the police reaction to a lot of objectively awful things that they have done does not help. its often sporadic. ranks are closed. investigation of the issues involved is dropped in favour of stone walling. genuine self defense cases then get conflated with cases of clear abuse an the specifics are lost when all the info given by the police is effectively 'we killed another one of you'. I understand (or more likely misremember. its in the guardian if its a thing) that instances of police killing people, for whatever reason, are often not recorded, or not data is not uniformly collected or of sufficient detail. if they are not, it means they are doing nothing. a them and us attitude should be resisted, but theses times...its dizzying to think of the different things effecting everything else, and it all varying city to city, state to state. the inertia of the system, and every year seems an election year. its daunting. American politics seems insane to me on every level. I look at it and I look at the limbo of Brexit Britain and I can see why people just seem to pick a side. you can at least feel part of a team. your attention can focused. all I got is impotent despair and crushing indecision. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't agree either that bad press is inherently bad but it still has that effect of feeding into biases about the police and help convince people along the way to own a gun and continue distrusting the police, which in turn makes the police's job harder. This is like the press reporting on airplane crashes and convincing people to drive and increase their risk of getting killed. I also think the press is really quick to jump on what the police did and it's really easy to avoid reflecting about the really complicated situation the police is in and the psyche of both parties. I mean, both sides must've had a torrent of thoughts and made several difficult snap decisions that ended in tragedy, and this isn't how a lot of people think about when they read the press about the police. The press shouldn't avoid doing the job of reporting, but maybe it's just an overall problem of people being unable to reflect on how everything happened? The stone-walling, however, is almost always bad and I think the police there should be sanctioned for lethal force. The police relationship with the community is a very gray area issue and has no real easy solutions. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
How exactly do you take the guns away though? Right wing nuts would revolt the second you actually tried to pass that. I hear them bragging here where I work about how they would like to "see them try to take my guns." There would be a blood bath of unprecedented (at least for the US) scale. They are ravenous, unhinged, and vicious. I've seen one of the people at my work threaten a teenager with a shotgun because the kid scratched his car. Think he wouldn't shoot a federal officer trying to take his gun? Dude it fucking sucks, but I worry the politics are just deadlocked forever. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
@MirrorIrorriM I think all those gun nuts are adorably naive. They all seem to think that the government coming after them (for whatever reason) will be a repeat of Ruby Ridge. They're idiots. If the government wanted to eliminate an armed and entrenched threat they'd launch Air-to-Surface missiles from UAV, not send in infantry. Gun nuts still think in terms of the 1930s while in reality a 5 man team with a computer and a UAV could eliminate them with little effort. TL;DR, technology has advanced and gun nuts' fixation on automatic firearms has made them blind to how truly obsolete their little toys actually are. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh they would lose by far, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't kill a lot of people first. The people I'm thinking of are so callous they would act on a "you're with me or you're against me" mentality. If you don't try to support them, they would shoot you for being a traitor or some shit. I tend to be very soft spoken IRL, so I often make a lot of friends. I've had one say to me "You and me, ****, we could go to the hills if the feds ever try to pull shit. We'd have to keep that bastard **** quiet though, he'd definitely rat on us." [**** is omitted names] Several of the fucks here are like that. I love my job, but I'm scared of some of the people who work here. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It's ironic that the right wing nuts worship the police and are generally behind Blue Lives Matter but they're ultimately hurting the police. On the other hand, despite the gun culture, I've read in a statistic aggregator that police are more likely to support gun rights, more likely white, male, and if they have discharged a gun in their career. Huh. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
On a day-to-day basis for the average person? Definitely hyperbole (like, goddamn man). According to the DoJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics, only roughly 2% of police-civilian interactions led to either threats (including pointing a gun) or active use of force (including simply getting handcuffed). This isn't to say this isn't an issue -- the same statistics showed that black people were three times more likely to experience threats or force compared to white people -- but it isn't like the police orders everyone person they pull over for a broken taillight out of their car and onto the concrete. The storied history of race relations in America plays a large role in the matter as well -- Puerto Rico's police force is a festering mound of corruption, gun violence, and rivers of blood, but nobody gives a shit about them. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Actually, pullovers are a dangerous moment for the police. Police are put in a more vulnerable position than the person in the car, even more menacing if the police has traffic stopped someone who is DUI. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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If you put the Constitution in context, you see things like quartering British troops right next to the second amendment. The first amendment is still relevant, but the second one should be disregarded and stay in context and relevance as the third one imo. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

The Constitution is a relic of a bygone age, it was great for its time, not so much any more, it should be done away with. β€” Oxyaena Harass 12:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
The entire Constitution? Not just the bad parts? Wouldn't we just end up creating a new document with most of the same things in it? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it's entirely down to "the right to bear arms". It's also the case of strutting douchebags common in police forces in North America. Canada has very few concealed arms and police shooting suspects is pretty uncommon and a totally unreasonable case is rare and the cop is usually punished. That being said, Canadian cops can be sort of decent but many many many can be just as arrogant and authoritarian and rude and overbearing and cocky and assholey as American cops...arrest you for the slightest sign of disrespect and lose their patience very quickly. When I'm in Chicago or Toronto, I don't feel particularly safer when a cop is around. I feel self-conscious, worried I'm doing something wrong, thinking there's a 50/50 chance the Cop is more menacing, looking for little problems and will elevate problems quickly. Their strutting Captain. Awesome attitude is also nauseating. In Paris, Madrid, Singapore, Taipei: I feel genuinely safer when police are around. And I've seen them patiently put up with incredible abuse for up to an hour trying to diffuse a situation...usually ending up with both parties leaving peacefully. You don't have to worry about engaging with them, they won't ask you to open your bag after you ask them for directions or ask what your business is when you ask a simple question etc. but will help you whatever your problem is and leave you alone. Their aim is to help and look out for SERIOUS problems. I have no doubt that American police are more trigger happy (perhaps to a small extent with good reason) but like Canadian cops, it also comes down to a sense of entitlement, a public fetish for and outpouring respect for anyone in a uniform and their frequent assholetry. (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

US State flags[edit]

I think I could try my hand at putting together a thing for US (maybe CA too) State flags, similar to the country flags and to be used alongside the US flag for more state-based stories, if desired. I think there's just a surfeit of plain US flags flooding the WIGO on items that tend to be more local in nature. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

As long as you don't remove the US Flag, I couldn't recognize a US state flag so to me it doesn't matter, but I can't see why not. β€” NekoDysk 22:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
The wiki has a primarily USanian audience, so it's not going to hurt. But Dysklyver, the flag from my state has a bear. Hard to forget. :P --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Can we have a Devon flag for when I WIGO my own county? Avida Dollarsher again 20:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Why not throw in a flag for Catalonia as well? Not joking. β€” Oxyaena Harass 21:03, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Is there a municipal crest aficionado in the house? Avida Dollarsher again 21:12, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Can we also have flags for US territories? TheUmbilicalCordGuy (talk) 04:12, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
@TheUmbilicalCordGuy β€” The US Territories are covered in the country flags: AS (This issue affects American Samoa. ), GU This issue affects Guam. , MP This issue affects Northern Mariana Islands. , PR This issue affects Puerto Rico. , and VI This issue affects the US Virgin Islands. . Now, if anything happens to the roughly 100 non-permanent residents of Wake Atoll, I think we can start looking at options for other bits past that. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Ulster bullshit[edit]

The Northern Irish story is probably fake based only on the word of a failed, homophobic sectarian politician.[1] People should consider the source of a story and evaluate its likely truthfulness. --Annanoon (talk) 18:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Up/Down Voting[edit]

How exactly does the up and down voting work? Is it vote up if you like story and down if you don't? because The Kyoani attack is at something like +19 and the Rand Paul story is at -4. So does that mean people are happy Kyoani got attacked and pissed that Rand Paul is getting called out? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 12:39, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I've always taken it to be a reflection of the quality/value of the story itself - i.e. a story that people find relevant tends to get upvoted, whereas something not relevant, from a non-reputable source, or just completely pointless tends to get downvoted. AcidTrial (talk) 15:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I vote on how much I like what is being reported - down vote generally fascist and intolerant and ignorant bullshit, up vote generally tolerant, liberal, factual bullshit. If the quality of the source isn't up to scratch then I'm happy to provide a better one, and might even consider shifting it to blogs or clogs as some people have done in the past.Aloysius the Gaul 02:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

'proabably piss off the NRA too'[edit]

Probably, but you know what? who gives a shit what the nra think? its nothing to do with them, so why even mention them? this line in addition to that article, about a tragedy in new Zealand and their response, is nothing but cheap point scoring. fuck off. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Because the NRA has used the attack for its own purposes, which intimately links them to subsequent actions here. so no.Aloysius the Gaul 02:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
bullshit. they've inserted themselves into a story that desnt concern them and you've kindly obliged them, dancing to their tune. well done. its not about the nra just because they said something AMassiveGay (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
So it's bullshit that they inserted themselves into the story, and yet they inserted themselves into the story according to you?? Stop being a fuck head. I get to choose the story I want about the massacre and how I see the relationship in relation to the NRA, and it suites me to write it so. You got another one? feel free to write it up yourself - I'm not here to hold your hand. Aloysius the Gaul 09:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
fuck off. you are doing what the nra are doing - using a massacare for your ends. its just as sickening. AMassiveGay (talk)
Actually I'm using the reaction to the massacre for my own ends. Just like you are using my reaction to the reaction for your own ends. Do try to grow up. Aloysius the Gaul 22:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
fuck off you prick. it shouldn't have been the focus of that wigo. it would have been suited as a separate wigo, or more aptly clogs. the nra don't give a fuck about nz or what goes on there - its doesn't effect them nor does the nra have any effect in nz. their response is for American eyes ands american eyes only - stoking fears of 'they're coming for you guns'. its standard procedure for them after every massacre and its one that works - gun sales always spike after. stop dancing to their tune.
as for the grow up comment, after what I just removed from another wigo, I repeat - fuck offAMassiveGay (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Aloysius: Do not edit WIGO in this manner again. AMassiveGay: The initial "fuck off" seemed counterproductive to the conversation. Your point still come off as strong condemnation without it, and distracted from your main point and made the user go defensive. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:16, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Point taken. I have just this minute apologised for my tone on Aloysius's talk page. AMassiveGay (talk) 20:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I noticed too, right at the same time. We all hate the NRA. I just thought Aloysius was just attempting to have viewers roll their eyes at how NRA predictably continues to be naked and spineless, even though this risks inviting attention to it rather than the good news that New Zealand is doing something about it! I think we can try a clog entry or something, but again, this is far from new or shocking (sadly) coming from the NRA, and I do agree that this is unrelated to New Zealand overall. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I promise I'll be good now. ;) Aloysius the Gaul 01:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Stay off that potion, save it for the Romans. :P --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Boris Johnson[edit]

Eh, I feel that his election victory belongs in WIGO Elections. However, I didn't want to screw with the polling system too badly, so I kept it here, but changed the title. I moved the original entry to the elections page. If this is a mistake, please feel free to correct it accordingly. G Man (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I was the one who put it in WIGO initially. I guess an argument could be made for it appearing on either of them (it was an election but given how the new PM will have to deal with Brexit they will have more of an impact on global politics than normal) but I don't object to it being moved or altered or whatever. --RWRW (talk) 23:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
When Jair Bolsonaro won Brazil's presidential election back in October, I posted it here, but then it got moved to the Elections page. I figured that was the standard. On the other hand, I agree that Boris Johnson's election victory matters for the world in light of Brexit and all. Anyway, sorry about that, LOL. G Man (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
tedious minutiae is for wigo elections. this is actual news ergo wigo. AMassiveGay (talk) 10:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Fried chicken and knife crime[edit]

not sure that this is playing on racist stereotypes. poorer communities are more afflicted by knife crime, and there is a proliferation of chicken shops in poorer communities. it would seem a logical choice to have chicken shops disseminate an anti knife crime message. my criticism, and that of the MPs in the linked article, is more that the government is doing fuck all else except moving closer to the sus laws of old, with its racist implantation intact. the association with a racist stereotype is certainly unfortunate, but i'm not sure how widespread this stereotype is, outside of America and ive only become aware of it personally from American media. I guess it wouldn't be the first time the uk has adopted elements of us culture if it is a 'thing' over here. thanks America. AMassiveGay (talk) 16:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

As an american, all I can think "knife crime is a problem I wish we had". ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Even in America, the stereotype exists but it's hardly the biggest one (it has its origins in the Jim Crow years, when a lot of restaurants refused to serve black people; if you had to go anywhere it therefore made sense to take your own food, and fried food in general kept well and had sufficient calories to subsist off). I'd think pushing it in places like curry shops or similar would be a closer equivalent. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Guess this is just a fun fact, but in China, knife registration is a thing. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@ikanreed - if it makes you feel better, it is a problem you have. knife crime in the uk is no different to the kind of violence seen in depressed inner city communities anywhere in the world. the addition of guns makes it no more an issue than the absence of them makes it any less an issue, and the solutions will be similar here in the uk and the us - community outreach and community policing. the scaling back of these things in the uk has seen knife crime rise as a result.
been a while since we had a mass shooting here though. i'll give you that. the kind that make the headlines are a different beast with different solutions. I wonder if the focus on one problem that sparks national outrage has any consequences for dealing with a problem that maybe seen as a more local issue? AMassiveGay (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
My thought was: if the messages are aimed at knife crime, and they've been put on chicken takeaway boxes, and people are going "wow so all black people love chicken huh?!", aren't THOSE people saying that knife crime is a black problem? Seems like a pile-up of thoughts somewhere along the line. That said, it's still a stupid idea regardless of race. X Stickman (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
in London, where this scheme is to be, it is a black problem. perpetrators and victims are predominantly black. its difficult to not see it as that. this is not the case elsewhere in the country, and taken together socio economic factors make ethnicity irrelevant. crime disproportionately effects deprived areas and in London black people are disproportionately from such areas. sloppy reporting and racist sentiment make race appear the main factor.
I don't believe this scheme is inherently stupid. there is a certain amount of sense in placing an anti knife message where it might be seen. but this comes after so many outreach programs have been axed or dialled back, and community policing similarly reduced. on its own, I think is that it? as it comes with a pledge for an increase in stop and search and increased prison places, I think something a lot stronger than stupid. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I have edited the entry I wrote about the chicken boxes so that it says, "The move has been criticized, among other reasons, for playing on the tired old trope that black people love fried chicken." Yes, another criticism included in the article I linked to is that simply putting the message on the chicken boxes just isn't enough. And I agree that associating black people with fried chicken is entirely a hand-me-down American stereotype. Twenty odd years ago, before the internet was much of a thing, most British people would have been very confused by anyone putting "fried chicken" and "racist" in the same sentence. But not anymore. Spud (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
ive looked abit more at this and it seems its being rolled out nation wide and that they do indeed think black (or more accurately BAME) people love fried chicken, and that they do indeed think knife crime is all about race. its doubly ridiculous as ive already stated naionwide ethnicity is irrelevant. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


Is it even possible to buy another country or territory in this day and age? And what of the Greenlanders themselves, what do they have to say of this? β€” Oxyaena Harass 09:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

As I understand it, Greenland is gradually moving towards full independence. So I do not think the people of Greenland would be at all happy about it. And I also don't think the island is really Denmark's to sell anymore. Spud (talk) 09:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The US did buy what are now the US Virgin Islands from Denmark in 1917, so it has some precedent. But the culture down there was rather different from Greenland, and in any event it hardly makes it a good idea... The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 13:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I very much doubt that Denmark would do to the Greenlanders what the uk did to the chagossians AMassiveGay (talk) 14:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
This isn't the 19th century, Trump can truly fuck off. β€” Oxyaena Harass 01:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The 1917 purchase of the Virgin Islands seems to be the most recent example although it isn't entirely clear what international law would say.[2][3] Some people talk about Kiribati buying part of Fiji in this context, but that's just an ordinary land transaction, not a transfer of sovereignty.[4] --Annanoon (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


Would it be a significant faux pas if I updated the byline to this WIGO that isn't mine? 'Cause it talks about an upcoming New York seminar the bleach peddlers are trying to pull, which may be worth pointing out to the relevant people. Like hotel management. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

No, it should be fine. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I also should point out that this isn't a new development as it seems. MMS has been touted as a cure for autism among anti-vaxxer circles and that has been documented for a while. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been aware of MMS since Rhys Morgan's campaign almost 10 years ago (kinda wonder what that kid is doing now). β„•oir LeSable (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
As an autistic person, anyone who forces their kid to drink bleach deserves to be put in death row. That's fucking abuse, it's disgusting. β€” Oxyaena Harass 01:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
It's not just drinking the bleach, even. MMS is known for being administered as enema. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

New suggestion[edit]

I think this belongs on the WIGO page. Another white nationalist has been arrested for plotting a terrorist attack. Richard Pickman (talk) 17:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Richard Pickman