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Google would rather talk about this, not privacy[edit]

someone someone[edit]

Someone add this interesting article. --120.158.37.237 (talk) 10:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

nymag[edit]

@Cosmikdebris, "diversity without conservatism". --110.144.72.84 (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Demographics in the USA 🇺🇸[edit]

@Grammarcommie this right here --1.136.106.191 (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

And what, exactly, is this technobabble supposed to prove? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Why is the blogosphere locked?[edit]

Just because trolls are up to their usual bullshit, it does not mean every user should be prevented from adding content to the page. Tuxer (talk) 23:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

To be fair, the page is locked only from BoN and those that aren't autoconfirmed. Still, I'd just ban the BoN rather than lock the page, to be honest. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
The offending user is banned, well, for a few days. If they keep putting gibberish into the WIGO they should be cooped. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Granted, I'm no Wiki-wizard, but it looks to me like the blogosphere is still locked. AcidTrial (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
There's a rereg who came in and posted porn in the links, so we had to deter the user. Might unlock for now. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I suppose that alternatively, some other friendly, neighbourhood user could consider adding the link I had wanted to add: http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/alex-jones-1.4776763, if it's sufficiently interesting. AcidTrial (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@AcidTrial Done, sorry about the inconvenience. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
No inconvenience at all! I just really dig the WIGO parts of the site and like to contribute every now and then. Trolls apparently were ruining my fun this time around. AcidTrial (talk) 19:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I think there's no point in keeping it locked away from BoNs anymore —Evo and Meta (speak, speak) | Look at what I've done! 21:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Court packing[edit]

That just reads like a petulant rant from someone who didn't get her way and now wants to throw her toys out of the pram. Throwing away all policy and procedure out of hatred for Darth Cheeto can only backfire in the end, and it's especially easy this time to see how that'll almost inevitably go horribly wrong. Maybe an introductory civics course would help too. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Considering the Republicans have thrown away all prodecure and policy for sake of power, it's pretty much suicidal to want to allow a far-right majority in SCOTUS which has the power to overturn the decisions of actually elected institutions (although thanks to the EC and voter supression, the legitimacy of the US is questionable). Let's not forget that the GOP now has the majority in the Court neeeded to not only overturn Roe but also Lawrence v Texas, Brown v Board of Education, Engel v Vitale and other landmark decisions. Preventing the complete reversal of a 100 years of activism and agonizingly slow reforms is a top priority. Because if that happens, it will prove that reformist reforms don't work and that will open a can of worms that everyone will regret opening. Tuxer (talk) 08:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Stare decisis is actually a thing, so I'm not convinced that they're going to go on a huge rampage reversing cases. And here's a thought; if you (generic you) don't like the way Republicans are handling things... run and elect better candidates to oppose them! The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Stare Decisis is nothing more than legal fiction, the SCOTUS has flip-floped on various issues across its history. And voting? Like voting for Joe Manching, who used his power to allow Brett Kavanaugh, a petulant manchild and probable rapist, to get a lifetime appoint to the highest court. The liberal cult-like worship of the ballot box is as annoying and stupid as the conservative cult-like worship of Ronald Reagan. Tuxer (talk) 19:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Definitely inclined to agree with you here. It's a nominal concept that should be respected, but civility and institutions are not actually a thing these right-wing psychopaths care about, they're just a shield they expect their opponents to hold up to. The decisions will not stand. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
That's nice in theory, but no matter how much you chastise democrats to not sink to the republicans' level, they're gonna keep singing like a wad of neutronium dropped overboard: filibuster a year, then take power and ban the filibuster, voter ID laws, historically unprecedented gerrymandering, they're already court-packing my state's supreme court. These are people who will steal every democratic check on their power you can invent, and the urge to do things like court packing to stop them comes from a real place of needing to protect ourselves from them. The right is not some abstract threat of not taking civics in high school. It's a group of very real people who are actively dismantling democracy and human rights for an image of humanity that isn't human.
Maybe you're so lucky as to not be a person whose life and rights are threatened by them, but "being civil" is only a priority to people whose only concerns are abstractions. Shit like this is exactly why I've been unable to respect calls for civility here, there's too much abuse of the concept in defense of the indefensible. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
So your solution to the deconstruction of the democratic republic and its institutions is to...deconstruct the democratic republic and its institutions.
You do realize it's shit like this that allows Republicans in power after Democrats to further their agendas, right? See Obama's expansion of executive power for a good example. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh no, you misunderstand me. I think the "other side" already doesn't care, there's nothing to protect. Building walls around the territory the enemy has invaded and taken from you is really dumb. Especially when they've shown they don't care about walls, only you do. I don't think there's an institutional solution to the fact that republicans have become openly fascist though, it's going to end in a lot of death sometime. Maybe not this decade, but soon. Institutions don't stop the march of fascism. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
It probably doesn't matter either way. In the end blood will be shed for a mixture of truth and lies, suffering will accure, both sides will meet somewhere in the middle, and the whole thing will begin again somewhere further down the line. We're past the point where no one suffers, past the point where there are easy answers. The trolley will hit someone, the only question is who, and what comes after the impact, and if history has taught me anything it is that death comes next, again and again and again, in a never ending cycle. The only choice we can make is which one lets us sleep at night. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I really do want the easy out; I don't like the conflict I see as inevitable. I think my "side" is likely to lose. It's just that "protecting and defending our checks and balances and institutions to keep civil society together" has already lost my faith. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Besides, the article says that attempts at court packing has been done before, and apocalyptic predictions turn out to be hysteria. If the past attempts at court packing didn't result in utter chaos, would this one be so? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Would probably be better to just impeach the remaining members of the Citizens United Five as accessories to corruption or something. Even if the impeachment fails, if it gets as far as a Senate trial the justices will get the message, like they did when court packing was first suggested. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱs. 03:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
And immediately afterwards, getting a constitutional amendment to prevent a reoccurrence would be ideal. That and running an actually decent presidential candidate, plus if Trump is still holding on the Republicans (I'll certainly do my part in my state's primary!) could come up with someone to unseat this buffoon. It's not about civility, it's about doing it in such a way that you don't end up hoist on your own petard. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Here's my problem with that very sensible course of action, constitutional amendments that clarify the relationship of obscene amounts of money and our ideals of individual freedom cannot be made in any remotely sane form without the death of at least 20 million people who've fallen for the "free market is freedom" charade. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I hope it doesn't come to that, of course. Perhaps reading Steven Pinker gives me a bit more hope, though the pessimism sure isn't without cause. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Pinker is nutso. Not because of the "Let's take aggregate statistics about wealth and pretend they're representative of widespread success" thing that has, if anything, helped make things worse. But because of the whole "writing glowing reviews of openly racist books" thing. He's a right wing prop now. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
That... is not exactly the impression I came away with (though I know the alt-right engaged in some deceptive video editing to "prove" things about him). But he's clearly not infallible either. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)