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You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. 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Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. 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Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. 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Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!You leftists and atheists are the most imbecilic, moronic, idiotic, retarded, stupid, dorky, perverted, reprobate, disgusting, lame, irreducibly dumb, vile, gross, evil, sick, awkward, mindless, brainless, and everything-that-deserves-to-die "people" in the whole world. Go KYS!
 
 
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== Paleolibertarian Page ==
 
 
 
The Paleolibertarian page includes quotes and descriptions from a Paleoconservative. The article needs to be updated with actual Paleolibertarian quotes and descriptions. As of right now neither Paleolibertarian, Paleoconservative, Libertarian, or even Paleo is mentioned once on Phyllis Schlafly's page. <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[Special:Contributions/73.77.144.189|73.77.144.189]] / [[User talk:73.77.144.189|talk]] </sup>
 
 
 
== Revert ==
 
 
 
Why did you revert me? I was begging to get rid of snark from this site. What was wrong? {{unsignedIP|2600:1:F169:AB59:374E:B385:4D81:BEA8}}
 
:{{DFTT}} {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::Like I was expecting -_-. But don't you realize you are offending people with snark and you can just be polite? {{unsignedIP|2600:1:F169:AB59:374E:B385:4D81:BEA8}}
 
:::{{sign}} [[Tone argument]]. Yawn. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Mike is butturt over something... again... ==
 
 
 
Why would you want to hide the important historical fact that blacks on Haiti immediately tortured and murdered the entire white population upon gaining independence? How can you be so dishonest, and hold so much hatred for white people? Actually I think you should be careful, you might find that you're wildly outnumbered. [[User:Papa Doc|Papa Doc]] ([[User talk:Papa Doc|talk]]) 12:47, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:I think you should stop with the vague posturing. Fight me or don't, either way stop with the bullshit. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::What bullshit? You even lie about lying. Explain why you are hiding this fact. [[User:Papa Doc|Papa Doc]] ([[User talk:Papa Doc|talk]]) 13:12, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::What the hell is wrong with you? I know you're too scared to talk on video and show your face, despite saying "fight me". But seriously, what is wrong with you? Why do you hate white people? Why do you lie? What is it? [[User:Papa Doc|Papa Doc]] ([[User talk:Papa Doc|talk]]) 13:25, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::Well obviously I'm "butthurt" or angry. You're an anti-white enemy agent acting with impunity. You should be executed. Maybe one day we'll identify you. [[User:Papa Doc|Papa Doc]] ([[User talk:Papa Doc|talk]]) 13:47, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::What are you, thirteen? Your impotent threats wouldn’t scare a toddler. {{User:DuceMoosolini/modsig}} 13:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: Watch from [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g4_v4JStOU 2:09], looks <s>Aryan</s> anorexic.[[User:Tobias|Tobias]] ([[User talk:Tobias|talk]]) 14:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::To lie is to spread misinformation with the intent to deceive, a charge which you actually have to prove. Further, "''You should be executed. Maybe one day we'll identify you''" Mike, I live in Texas, a state where I can legally shoot you if you attempt to harm me. Do you actually realize how hollow your threats really are? I've had people threaten me '''to my face''' and I laughed them off, what makes you think I'm going to take your empty posturing seriously? Either attack me or don't, either way threats are pointless. Finally, "''you're too scared to talk on video and show your face, despite saying "fight me". But seriously, what is wrong with you?''" Yeah, that's bullshit. You threaten to kill me (multiple times) then expect me to debate you? Are you an idiot? Seriously, in what universe does that line of reasoning even work? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 14:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: I think he's targeting you because you have "commie" in your name, but he doesn't understand its a joke or tongue-in-cheek (as is my page). The RationalWiki on [[communism]] isn't sympathetic and has many criticisms, so I've never understood why he still claims this wiki is Marxist or communist. And he's still claiming this on his Gab. Also very few sysops, if any, support Antifa (and I've always been very critical of them). So he's also mistaken about that as well, yet according to him we're all Antifa Marxists.[[User:Tobias|Tobias]] ([[User talk:Tobias|talk]]) 15:12, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::Pointing out that Africans on Haiti had such a terrible life that they had to keep importing slaves because they were dying to fast to naturally reproduce. As well as the fact that Jean-Jacques Dessalines Actually tried to make peace with the white minority. His Lieutenant was the violent one. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_o-nU5s2U source] [[User:Tabula Rasa|Commie Lib]] ([[User talk:Tabula Rasa|talk]]) 17:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thanks for that... ==
 
 
 
I appreciate your thoughtful remarks about the Pinker video argument.  I prefer to share common ground whenever possible. I'm glad you are not still pissed at me.[[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 00:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== [[Ku Klux Klan]] ==
 
 
 
Hello<br> Per Wikipedia, "[[wikipedia:Negrophobia|negrophobia]]" is the correct term for "anti-black hatred", and Wiktionary defines "[[wikt:immigrationism|immigrationism]]" as "A policy that favours immigration." "[[wikt:anti-immigration|Anti-immigration]]" is an adjective, "Anti-immigrationism" is a noun, as in "The Klan are anti-immigration, as they endorse anti-immigrationism". The use of these terms in no way constitutes "butchering the English language". A gentle carving of it, perhaps. <br> Cordially – [[Special:Contributions/2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:54|2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:54]] ([[User talk:2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:54|talk]]) 22:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah.. No. Try "racist" and "xenophobic" respectively. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 22:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Patrol then delete ==
 
 
 
Why? What's patrolling for anyway? I've never done it and nobody else has complained. [[User:Avida Dollars|'''Avida Dollars''']]<sup>[[User talk:Avida Dollars|''her again'']]</sup> 19:35, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Please respond ==
 
 
 
Why was my topic at the Saloon Bar removed? I don't understand, please explain. [[User:Countryboi|Countryboi]] ([[User talk:Countryboi|talk]]) 19:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:Don't bother responding. This is another Logic-boy sock, and I dealt with it appropriately. {{User:DuceMoosolini/modsig}} 19:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Strawberry ==
 
 
 
I wanted to ban them with a Strawberry Fields Forever reference :) [[User:Anna Livia|Anna Livia]] ([[User talk:Anna Livia|talk]]) 12:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Anna Livia}} I only vandal Binned them, you can still Ban them with your chosen reference if you so wish. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 12:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::No matter (or use it yourself if appropriate) - but the 'ping' doesn't always work. [[User:Anna Livia|Anna Livia]] ([[User talk:Anna Livia|talk]]) 16:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Oh c'mon ==
 
 
 
Why can't I make fun of the troll? [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.138|71.3.195.138]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.138|talk]]) 15:57, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:A) You ''can'' (and in fact did), but it may be reverted. B) Your "joke" has all the creativity of a child hitting someone with a rock and then laughing about it. And C), it's not funny. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 15:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Cometan page ==
 
 
 
Dear GrammarCommie
 
 
 
Thank you for providing feedback on the biography page for Cometan just created and resubmitted. When you say "work on the draft more", could you provide more specifics? Do you mean to expand the article further by adding more sections to the contents? And also, would you be able to add a relevant image to the page to enhance it further. I look forward to hearing back from you.
 
 
 
Kind regards
 
 
 
--[[User:TIOTPOM|TIOTPOM]] ([[User talk:TIOTPOM|talk]]) 17:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:The article in question appears to be nothing more than a promotional piece for this individual, is absent RationalWiki's style, and appears to be almost entirely copied from [http://philosophy.fandom.com/wiki/Cometan these] [http://philosophy.fandom.com/wiki/Brandon_Taylorian articles]. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 18:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Oxyeana ==
 
 
 
Can you seriously block Oxyeana and oversight the dox he is posting in the coop? I'm afraid he is going to start doxing PSG too as he is starting to talk about her in real life and he should not be doing that. This is seriously against policy. [[User:Silver Belle|Silver Belle]] ([[User talk:Silver Belle|talk]]) 20:58, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:I have no idea who she even is irl you fucking ingrate, all the details I speak of you and her have admitted yourselves. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="teal">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="red"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 21:01, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:You're an idiot. You start this drama over an email that has zero Doxxing and the user you accuse has at no point doxxed you on this website. You then bitch and whine about your ban (yes you did, don't lie, I can pull up the edits) and then get huffy when things escalate. I will ask Oxyeana to tone it down, but do not mistake me for a friend. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:04, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::He's gone. I've hidden the visibility of the revisions. Morris should be ''persona non grata''. Good riddance. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="teal">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="red"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 21:05, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Delete my account==
 
 
 
Delete my account. There is nowhere a settings tab or menu where I can do it. I edited a page giving the same message and you just removed the message without deleting my account. Delete my account.
 
 
 
I am waiting -Allomar <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[User:Allomar|Allomar]] / [[User talk:Allomar|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Allomar|contribs]] </sup>
 
:{{ping|Allomar}} You're obviously new to the concept of wikis, as well as blatantly possessing little technical knowledge beyond simple account setting/preset interactions. You can't delete a wiki account. You ''can'' simply leave. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::I did the next best thing, it has the same approximate effect. :p {{User:Dysklyver/sig}} 13:26, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Red link for [[protest]] ==
 
 
 
"If you don't know what a protest is and need an article to explain the concept to you, you sadden me." Haha, I didn't even realize it was a red link. I must not have reloaded the page before I submitted that. [[User:W.F. Tucker|W.F. Tucker]] ([[User talk:W.F. Tucker|talk]]) 15:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Firmament ==
 
 
 
Literalists be like spreading out their definitions thin, amirite? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 01:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== My talk ==
 
 
 
Can you restore my talk page? It wasn't an act of harassment, it was a good-faith message to Oxyaena. - [[Special:Contributions/2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738|2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738]] ([[User talk:2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738|talk]]) 04:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:Done. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 11:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::Thanks! Best, [[Special:Contributions/2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738|2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738]] ([[User talk:2600:1:982E:FC6C:84F3:5D9F:1C9B:1738|talk]]) 00:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Promotion ==
 
 
 
{{ping|LeftyGreenMario}}{{ping|Bongolian}} If you and the other Mods would like to review my temporary promotion and block, that would be appreciated. If someone has a problem with my behavior they should have gone through proper channels. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:47, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:Blocking abusers does not require discussion prior to implementation. I'll be happy to demote you in 9 hours. [[User:142․124․55․236|142․124․55․236]] ([[User talk:142․124․55․236|talk]]) 20:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::I merely blocked a persistent troll who had repeatedly edit warred and posted inflammatory comments, something I would have pointed out if you had either asked or brought my behavior up for discussion. Neither merits a 9 hour block. And further, given my cooperation in previous disciplinary actions, does not merit a promotion. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::So you stand by your false charges. In addition to practicing more discretion in the use of sysop tools I also recommend more care in evaluating other people's behaviour. [[User:142․124․55․236|142․124․55․236]] ([[User talk:142․124․55․236|talk]]) 21:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|142․124․55․236}} It's generally not a good idea to mess with other users' toolsets especially without hearing them out first. I don't buy the "false charges" either. Unblocked and reinstated demotion privileges. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 21:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I can attest that beyond minor edit warring the charges are without any substance. GrammarCommie proved to resist any discussion prior to a block being handed out. Temporary desysops were also once a common practice when a regular user would earn themselves a serious block. [[User:142․124․55․236|142․124․55․236]] ([[User talk:142․124․55․236|talk]]) 21:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Okay, let me see the diff links. Please, guys, I might not even be looking at the same edits that caused the conflict. I need to make sure, not make assumptions. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I suspect some executive overreach was due to an incorrect assumption conflating [[User:Communism]] with IP 2A02etc. The limited edit warring actually committed was due to [http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Saloon_bar&diff=2088792&oldid=2088791 disagreement about a collapse blurb.] [[User:142․124․55․236|142․124․55․236]] ([[User talk:142․124․55․236|talk]]) 22:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::142, believe it or not I do understand why you blocked me, and calming down and engaging in further contemplation do not contest the block if you feel it is necessary. I am also willing to elaborate on my actions if you so wish, however I request a temporary reprieve, given that I am currently editing from a mobile device any I present explanation is better conducted via my computer. Until then if you wish to reinstate my block I will not contest it further at this time. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 22:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::If we've all come out of this wiser and calmer, I'm happy to let things stand as they are now. [[User:142․124․55․236|142․124․55․236]] ([[User talk:142․124․55․236|talk]]) 22:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::That's great. You guys handled this very well. Thanks so much for the cooperation. :) {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 22:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:I can't believe I am saying this, but what the actual fuck was this shit {{ping|142.124.55.236}} when Oxyaena and D do the same shit rampantly and get off scot-free? Doing this to GC was bullshit. [[User:Turtle Wax|Turtle Wax]] ([[User talk:Turtle Wax|talk]]) 03:31, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::Somewhat inclined to agree, even if ''someone'' is rather quick to indef block fundies as spambots. {{User:Dysklyver/sig}} 19:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 
:::GC sometimes shoots first and asks questions later. Oxy is just plain a mad man, giving outright trolls administrative tools and overriding moderator decisions while blocking people for infinity for "vandalism" posting something he disagrees with, in direct violation of [[RationalWiki:Blocking policy]], and I'm not talking about his blocking of certain trolls' sockpuppets. He has been warned about this more than once, but he retains ''tech'' status (that's right, same buttons as a moderator)... but ''GrammarCommie'' gets promoted? Does Oxy have something on Trent or something? [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.109|71.3.195.109]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.109|talk]]) 00:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::If you got any comments about how sysops in general are blocking vandals trolls for longer you ''could'' comment at [[RationalWiki talk:Blocking policy#Blocking duration]] where I brought up this issue months ago, if y'know, you think it's a problem. As far as Trent is concerned, we all know that he was caught in a compromising position with goats, and that's why he hasn't made any non-essential edits for six years. /s :D {{User:Dysklyver/sig}} 11:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Morris, cut the fucking harassment out, and it's ''her'', '''''not''''' "his." <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="teal">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="red"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 13:49, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::From your userpage: ''This user is transgender''. I was correct in saying "he." [[User:Orange Slices|Orange Slices]] ([[User talk:Orange Slices|talk]]) 00:27, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::Stop. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 00:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::Yes, please cease your misgendering twaddle on my talkpage. I know that you know better Morris, you're just acting like a 4 year old because you think there's nothing we can do that will actually hurt you (not true...). {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thank you ==
 
 
 
Hi. Thanks for editing my draft and showing me how to insert references properly. --[[User:Aporadox|Aporadox]] ([[User talk:Aporadox|talk]]) 19:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== It was a joke... ==
 
 
 
Not harassment. [[User:Chicken Nuggets|Chicken Nuggets]] ([[User talk:Chicken Nuggets|talk]]) 15:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:It wasn't funny. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 15:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What did I do? ==
 
 
 
I was banned for an hour. Reason? Grammar? I seriously have no idea what I did. So what did I do? {{unsig|Ajuran}}
 
:Repeatedly making comments that were not formatted using indents "<nowiki>:</nowiki>", placing new sections at the top of the page rather than the bottom as is customary on most wikis, and just generally making messes that I had to clean up. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 22:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Nomination ==
 
 
 
{{BoardNotice}} [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.138|71.3.195.138]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.138|talk]]) 23:03, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Homophobia ==
 
 
 
Why did you undo that? It was referenced even... [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.138|71.3.195.138]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.138|talk]]) 03:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:Because it was poorly written. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::Fair enough. Too much alcohol. [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.138|71.3.195.138]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.138|talk]]) 03:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::Specifically, "''and straight men who were molested as a child or otherwise sexually abused by someone who is homosexual''" is poorly phrased. It would be better to phrase it in a way that specifies that the reference is a male pedophile and a male victim, rather than invoking the "Homosexuals = pedophiles" trope, even if inadvertently. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Right... that wasn't the intention, sorry if it came across as such. I was reading the article and thought about people I know personally who are "homophobes," and not to excuse the behavior, but knowing their background (and without getting too specific on here), it's pretty obvious why they are that way. Which is a shame, but is is what it is. [[Special:Contributions/71.3.195.138|71.3.195.138]] ([[User talk:71.3.195.138|talk]]) 03:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It didn't read like you were intentionally trying to invoke that trope, just a poor choice of phrasing. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Sentencing ==
 
 
 
As First Comrade of the People's Republic of RationalWiki, I hereby sentence thee to death by exile!!!!1! <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Burgundy"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 04:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Comment==
 
 
 
My bad I thought ya'll were looking to fit puzzle pieces together.  You are correct on my lack of linguistics.
 
I will leave you with a http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2012/oct/08/nobel-prize-quackpottery-physiology-medicine[http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2012/oct/08/nobel-prize-quackpottery-physiology-medicine prize]. {{unsig|Jaded}}
 
:Random link, no context. Point lost due to refusal to communicate. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 23:42, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::I got it with the goats, just seems silly to have all the power and use it to keep others down.  Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in the cage. {{unsig|Jaded}}
 
 
 
== "[http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=Holocaust_denial&diff=2097816&oldid=2097812 Your "unsourced" statement cites two sources.]" ==
 
{{ctroll}}
 
Actually, the sentence that is sourced is "According to current scholarship, around 5,700,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust." The actual claim that the section supposedly exists to address is  "Revisionists may point out that this number is less than six million" which is an ''unsourced'', speculative [[strawman]].
 
Is the purpose of the article to expose the flaws in the arguments deniers actually make? Or is it to waste time debunking nitpicks concerning terminology and semantics they could conceivably make, even though they never actually have or will? "It's actually 5.7 million, not 6 million" and "It wasn't called the Holocaust until the 1970s" are absurd arguments that no denier would ever make, and wouldn't help their position if they did. [[Special:Contributions/81.97.179.9|81.97.179.9]] ([[User talk:81.97.179.9|talk]]) 13:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{dftt}} <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 13:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::Not trolling. It is precisely because these arguments are speculative, unsourced strawmen rather than actual arguments made by deniers that responding to them in the article is a waste of time and space, and does nothing to aid efforts to combat Holocaust denial. [[Special:Contributions/81.97.179.9|81.97.179.9]] ([[User talk:81.97.179.9|talk]]) 13:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::If you have an actual argument to make, do let's hear it. [[Special:Contributions/81.97.179.9|81.97.179.9]] ([[User talk:81.97.179.9|talk]]) 13:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Really, Mike? <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 13:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== They thought of all places ==
 
 
 
''Rationalwiki'' would be the place to spam "body cleanse in three steps".  There's irony and then there's irony.  [[User:ikanreed|ikanreed]] <sup><u>[[user_talk:ikanreed|🐐Bleat at me]]</u></sup> 16:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|ikanreed}} The irony is indeed quite amusing. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 16:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Why reverting slavery in the bible quotes? ==
 
 
 
On the [[Slavery in the Bible]] page, You reverted my edits twice with these comments: "The bible endorses and encourages slavery. Find a better source of morals." "Is it really so hard to say "Oh, an outdated book had outdated ideas, let's not do that sort of thing."? I mean really."
 
I do not understand your revert or your comments. I think you misunderstood my purpose.
 
 
 
I agree the Bible endorses and encourages slavery. I'm attempting to use the article here to clarify that to apologists and it lacked the necessary quote text to make that clear to them. Without the full quote I added text for, it isn't fully clear what is wrong with their argument that the bible forbids kidnapping. The quote they cite (which is included in full above in the article) is misleading because this quote shows it only applies to not kidnapping hebrew slaves. In context, the quote apologists use matches up with this quote to show that it was in fact allowed to kidnap non-hebrews.
 
 
 
It seems like you assumed my intentions but I don't know how you could infer that from the simple purely informational edit I made which was to add the quote text that is alluded to in the existing text with a verse citation number, which I
 
added text to but did not alter in any way. The description of my edit was: bible|Deuteronomy|24|7 quote for full context comparison. The second edit (I did not know you had reverted in the meantime) was to try to format it more appropriately using the bible code plugin which the wiki uses. I am doing my best to conform to the style and standards of the Rational Wiki. I'm contributing to help people debunk Christian apologetics explaining away the Bible's support for slavery. I can understand that the wiki is probably inundated with ill-intentioned sabotage, but my edits were not of that type. Do you understand my intent better now? Do you have any other issues with my adding the relevant quote in full to make the existing text as well-supported as possible? -[[User:Near|Near]] ([[User talk:Near|talk]]) 21:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Near}} You went straight to the "but it says otherwise once right here!!" quote. I have a pretty low opinion of that quote due its misuse. However, I admit I could have been a bit hasty in my reverts, given my opinion on the matter. I'll add it back and try to write some context surrounding the apologetics in question. My apologies. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 22:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|User:GrammarCommie}} I did indeed want that full quote precisely because that is the quote the apologists leave out in favor of the Exodus quote that leaves out the hebrew/non hebrew distinction. Thanks for expanding it into its own sanction and clarifying further. --[[User:Near|Near]] ([[User talk:Near|talk]]) 10:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== reverting the Capitalism article ==
 
 
 
I know the new user who made the change had no edit summary, but if you check the talk page, there's a good reason to take it out.  It's probably a misattributed quote.  [[User:ikanreed|ikanreed]] <sup><u>[[user_talk:ikanreed|🐐Bleat at me]]</u></sup> 19:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Why did you revert the self refuing atheist idea? ==
 
 
 
Hey GC, You did not leave any comment on your reversion of the [http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=Self-refuting_idea&type=revision&diff=2096585&oldid=2096583| self refuting atheist idea].  I haven't seen the movie, but I think "Atheists hate God" is a pretty good example of a self-refuting idea, since, if somebody believes in God enough to hate Him, then they are not an atheist.  I would simply phrase it differently rather revert it (and I do prefer my "Machine thinking" text to theirs) --[[User:Bertrc|<span style="color:#A52A2A">Bertrc</span>]] ([[User talk:Bertrc|talk]]) 13:36, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Bertrc}} I might have been on the phone at the time and unable to edit it, then forgot to rewrite it later. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|Bertrc}} Now I remember the other reason I reverted that example. Trying condense an entire section of the [[Atheists hate god]] article into a note is a pain in the ass. Specifically the fictional counter-examples section. If you can think of better phrasing and wording than my re-write, please edit it. I'm still not happy with it. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 14:05, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Tireless Worker Award ==
 
 
 
I don't need to know the specifics, I understand that you work your ass off.  I do too, I work maybe average 45 hours a week, never fewer than 40 and I am the guy who grants time off at mu job.  I have seven weeks of vacation saved up, it is a problem for payroll.  I used to travel.  This site doesn't operate without people who put in their work. I can't teach anybody else how to do my job either.
 
 
 
== On whether strongly conservative people are far-right ==
 
 
 
I see you [http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=Reddit&diff=2105326&oldid=2105324 reverted] my change renaming the "very far right" section to "ultraconservatives" in the [[Reddit]] article, and I want to see if I can convince you that I was right to make that change.
 
 
 
Obviously these things need to be judged on a case-by-case basis, because someone who doesn't know much about the political spectrum (or compass, or whatever) might have attributed something as "far right" when it isn't actually far right. I had a quick look at the 2 reddits mentioned in that section, and I encourage you to do so too.
 
 
 
I want to make two points:
 
 
 
1. People on the far right (Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, etc.) do not compare things they don't like to the Holocaust in order to make them look bad. They either ''deny'' the Holocaust, or even worse, they post anonymously about how they think the Holocaust was great! So this is some evidence that those reddits are ''not'' far-right.
 
 
 
2. In our [[Quillette]] article, we (rightly, in my view) make fun of Quillette for publishing a ridiculous article that lumped a bunch of far-right/alt-right people in under "conservative" to attempt to push a conservative victimisation narrative. This gives the impression that the RationalWiki community believes that the far-right are ''not'' correctly categorised as political conservatives, and indeed that the very ''idea'' that they are conservative is ''ridiculous''. Yet your reversion suggested that these redditors, who I would think of as hard-right conservatives, are far right, or at least far right inclined. This seems like a massive contradiction on Rationalwiki - it looks like we are taking opposite views on whether the far right are conservatives in the Quillette article and in the Reddit article.
 
 
 
(I actually went ahead and wrote an entire article on the [[hard-right]], because I had more to say about them, but you don't need to read it if you don't want to.)
 
 
 
So where does our disagreement stem from? Do you disagree that those reddits are conservative reddits, or do you think that a reddit can be both conservative ''and'' far right? From your edit message, I'm guessing the latter? --[[User:Greenrd|Greenrd]] ([[User talk:Greenrd|talk]]) 15:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:Just going to commoent and say that anyone that you could call hard-right or ultraconservative is literally far-right, and should be described that way. Most conservatives are far-right. It's not complicated. {{User:Dysklyver/sig}} 16:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::So you're going to delete that part making fun of Quillette for thinking that far-right people can be conservative then?--[[User:Greenrd|Greenrd]] ([[User talk:Greenrd|talk]]) 17:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::You don't seem to know what "conservative" means, rather you use it as a catchall for "right-wing". {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:09, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|Greenrd}} No because neo-Nazis are a subset of the far-right whom are not generally conservatives (being instead generally [[Third Position]]). So for Quillette to hold up some neo-Nazis as an example of the entirety of conservatives, or even the entirety of the far-right, is disingenuous. However, it is absolutely possible for a conservative to be far-right, and yet not a "neo-Nazi", since these are not synonyms nor particularly even points on a linear left-right scale. {{User:Dysklyver/sig}} 18:54, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::{{ping|Dysklyver}} OK, I took a look at the raw data, researched some of the people, read the Third Position page, re-read your reply several times to understand it better, and I think what you are saying ''sort of'' explains the discrepancy - but I'm still wondering if RW made a mistake somewhere. Are there any names on that list in the Quillette article who are "far-right conservatives", do you think? If so, then we're partially criticising them for classifying them in a way which is, according to you, valid - and we should fix that. --[[User:Greenrd|Greenrd]] ([[User talk:Greenrd|talk]]) 20:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|GrammarCommie}} No, I'm not using as a catch-all for right-wing. I was claiming that the far-right (by which I mean neo-Nazis, white nationalists, etc.) are right-wing, but are not conservative, so conservative ''isn't'' a catch-all for right-wing. But according to NekoDysk it is more complicated than that. I am trying to learn. --[[User:Greenrd|Greenrd]] ([[User talk:Greenrd|talk]]) 20:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
== Edits on Anatoly Karlin ==
 
He is British Russian. He says that he has citizenship in both countries. [[User:Inthecave|Inthecave]] ([[User talk:Inthecave|talk]]) 00:33, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Evening ==
 
 
 
Not that I care ''that'' much, but what was wrong with my edit on the WOMBAT page? --[[Special:Contributions/85.76.42.65|85.76.42.65]] ([[User talk:85.76.42.65|talk]]) 17:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:It didn't make sense. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Vandal Bin ==
 
 
 
You binned the K1410407 after just 3 edits and without even raising it on the users talkpage to give them a chance to respond. I have paroled them. Try take a lighter approach. The user may have been confused about our goals and style. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 04:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Ace McWicked}} I'm not inclined to be gentle with [[hard green]] wackjobs who call me a murderer for eating meat and who would willingly stall human medical advancement for their own egos. They give environmentalists a bad name. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 12:46, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::That’s not a valid reason for a vandal binning and is poor form. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>i9</sup>]] 13:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|Ace McWicked}} Very well then... {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 14:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What's actually going on? ==
 
 
 
I've seen Point (clearly a kiwi) & ScSb's edits in the bar. This isn't the first time I've seen this (including me asking about this back in July, where my topic got erased by Dysk). From what I've been gathering after a quick google search:
 
 
 
1. Dysk & Discord member ''redacted'' got banned from Wikipedia. Something about russian bots (I don't even know what wikipedia is on about, but it seems to be something about Dysk having a sockpuppet named "''redacted''")?
 
 
 
2. Something about this ''redacted'' I just mentioned and a guy called "''redacted''" (that name is giving me tons of results via google (mostly reddit posts)) being brother & sister/cousins (don't know what ''redacted'' have to do with Dysk.).
 
 
 
3. Dysk being accused of having a [[Dissociative identity disorder|double personality]] (That's a huge stretch, if you ask me)?
 
 
 
4. Dysk & ''redacted'' being the same person (which would mean that Dysk has 2 accounts on the discord if true (if Dysk is still a member from the discord))?
 
 
 
5. The site being in on it (the 1st [[Conspiracy theory|nuttery]] BS. Also, you're making things worse if you're getting rid of these topics asap (saw several people doing this in the past, including my dmorris topic being erased by Dysk back in July...)).
 
 
 
6. Dysk, Oxy & ''redacted'' all being the same person (2nd [[Crank|nuttery]] BS).
 
 
 
WTF is going on? Why not just be open with everyone, on the site, about this whole shitstorm (anons WILL keep pouring in and they WILL keep posting claptrap) (the situation, that is. Not the crankery points that I summoned, although the whole Dysk getting banned from Wikipedia thing... They don't ban people for jiggs & giggles over there, so...)? [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 12:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Tinribmancer}} I removed the content in question because it was A) in bad faith and B) harassment. I intend to do nothing more than remove such comments for the purposes of moderation, unless such comments escalate in their harassment. As for the events on discord, I am under the impression that both Dysk and ''redacted'' are banned there, though I wasn't a part of that. {{ping|Vorarchivist}} or {{ping|LeftyGreenMario}} may know more, though I am not certain. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 12:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::hi {{ping|Tinribmancer}}
 
::1. if it wasnt obvious already, dysk is a crazy communist and russian bot sympathizer. they were banned from wikipedia in 2017 for chronic administrative disruption. some others may have been banned at the same time
 
::2. imagine i dont exist, and shut up. i redacted your post
 
::3. dysks mental state is not relevant
 
::4. dysk was banned from the discord and that is why they left the site. they stayed for a short time because rwrw asked them to do the trustees election
 
::5. every single thing about this has been posted by a small group of banned or troll users, namely aeschylus, dmorris, mikemikev, and two others
 
::6. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DMorris&diff=1504046&oldid=1495433 everyone is bongolian]
 
::"Why not just be open with everyone" - open about what?
 
::"anons WILL keep pouring in" - short of neutralizing the trolls irl ye they will
 
::"Dysk getting banned from Wikipedia thing" - it only takes 2-3 days to read the ban debates there
 
::"the events on discord" - dysk was banned first, about a month later i wheel warred to unban them and others and was demodded and banned
 
::[[User:EK|EK]] ([[User talk:EK|talk]]) 15:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::: I'm sorry, who made you a mod? I can say whatever I wanna say, miss Fascist!! [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 15:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: i was [[User:D/RationalWiki Discord staff election 2019 results|elected]] as a mod for the discord in april.[[User:EK|EK]] ([[User talk:EK|talk]]) 16:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: Discord is not the site.. [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 18:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::ye so what? u asked about events on discord and i told u in the shortest possible way some information. [[User:EK|EK]] ([[User talk:EK|talk]]) 18:24, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Mueller Talk Page==
 
I am in need of assistance.--[[User:RipCityLiberal|RipCityLiberal]] ([[User talk:RipCityLiberal|talk]]) 17:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|RipCityLiberal}} How may I be of assistance? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|GrammarCommie}}Would you consider boxing in rob's many rails. We have escaped the purpose of the talk page almost entirely and he's whipped up at least three different random conspiracies that have nil to do with the topic.--[[User:RipCityLiberal|RipCityLiberal]] ([[User talk:RipCityLiberal|talk]]) 18:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|GrammarCommie}}He's back on his bullshit.--[[User:RipCityLiberal|RipCityLiberal]] ([[User talk:RipCityLiberal|talk]]) 19:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Sorry ==
 
 
 
I am the guy who edited the Yugoslavia article. I want to apologize for any inconvenience since I am no war crime apologist by any means. I really just wanted to point out the fact that EVEROYONE commited war crimes, not just Serbia. There is no part on Operation Storm, which was a horrendous cleaning operation commited against the Serbs. The Medjugorje massacre, for example, was also commited against Serbs. I know there was a crime commited in Srebrenica, but 8000 people do not really make a genocide per se (a genocide is a mass killing of an entire nation like the Holocaust, not the cleansing of a town with barely 15000 people). Also, what kind of language is "piss off"? I just want to be civil on the topic, not trying to outcuss everyone here... --[[Special:Contributions/176.104.110.11|176.104.110.11]] ([[User talk:176.104.110.11|talk]]) 16:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Terms like "countercleansing" sound like you're attempting to justify Serbian atrocities. In addition, the Holocaust was the attmpted mass extermination of people from ultiple countries, several of which willingly sent the victims to die in German camps. Finally, scale is irrelevant to the definition of genocide in the broad strokes. [http://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml I use the U.N.'s definition]. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Okay. I get it, really didn't know about the UN definition. Since the article is now locked, could you update it regarding the [[w:Prespa agreement]] which ended the (N)MKD - GR hostility regarding the name last year? --[[Special:Contributions/176.104.110.11|176.104.110.11]] ([[User talk:176.104.110.11|talk]]) 17:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I will try once I get home. I'm currently unable to reach a computer at the moment, from whence I am able to edit more effectively. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 18:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Cofnas ==
 
 
 
Thanks, wasn't sure how long to block him for (as a sysop I am hesitant to do more than 3 days unless they are a spammer, etc.). [[User:CogitoNotStirred|CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy)]] ([[User talk:CogitoNotStirred|talk]]) 00:52, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thanks ==
 
 
 
Unfortunately the thank user contribution extension isn't installed on this wiki, otherwise I'd use it for your posts on the [[Essay_talk:John_Gabriel#False_statements_about_the_New_Calculus|JG talk page]]. Instead I'll leave this message here. Consider this a "thanks". The entire chain was extremely amusing. -- [[User:Mocha2007|Mocha2007]] ([[User talk:Mocha2007|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thanks ==
 
 
 
Thanks for changing the visibility on those edits. I'm still pretty knew at editing and I wasn't sure if what I did was correct. [[User:CAPSlOCKrOXX|CAPSlOCKrOXX]] ([[User talk:CAPSlOCKrOXX|talk]]) 18:32, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|CAPSlOCKrOXX}} You did fine. Blatant harassment, doxxing, or vandalism like that should be reverted without hesitation. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 18:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Nassim Haramein page ==
 
 
 
I am adding new research to the Nassim Haramein page supporting his work with legitimate physicists in reputable scientific journals. My intent is to simply improve the page. Please advise. [[User:Jahub|Jahub]] ([[User talk:Jahub|talk]]) 22:23, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Jahub}} Take it to the article's talkpage and discuss with the editors who dispute your edit. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 23:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
==What's up?==
 
I thought you would be interested in a mention of Rationalwiki in the scientific literature. [[User:Mediocre Bob|Mediocre Bob]] ([[User talk:Mediocre Bob|talk]]) 16:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|Mediocre Bob}} Two [[Racialist]] idiots are still pissed at us. Who gives a shit? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 16:43, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== The Randi kook ==
 
 
 
I don't think they were engaging in any sort of talk page editing I'd call "vandalism" either.  It seems excessive for what is a nattering nut.  While I don't think I'd have any chance of persuading them that Randi's challenge is on the up-and-up, the extent to which they brushed too close to slander wasn't ''that'' close that it represents a risk to the wiki.  [[User:ikanreed|ikanreed]] <sup><u>[[user_talk:ikanreed|🐐Bleat at me]]</u></sup> 18:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|ikanreed}} I just didn't want to slog through that wall of text to read the ineveitable "you're so biased! I'm going to take my ball and go home" post. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 18:10, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Also the whole "vandal" label was more me flipping them off than anything else. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 18:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::(Edit conflict) Yeah don't call it vandalism either. Even if it's just your way of communicating, that wasn't clear to me at all. Anyhow, it's someone thinking they can fight with you and doesn't like having their comments collapsed with an insult. It's cute. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:12, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Are you okay? ==
 
 
 
That recent block got me really worried. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:See my last post in the Saloon. I can't bend on this issue. the world is a fundamentally fucked up place, and every day I continue living I'm reminded of that fact. Reminds me that acts of bravery we exalt in our media aren't rewarded in reality, but punished. Reminds me that there are people out there more concerned with "security" and "safety" and venting on those without power, who never wanted any of this, than for basic empathy. I had to learn empathy. I didn't get it originally. Yet even I understand this is fucked up. Yet those who are supposedly my equals or betters can't. It sickens me. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Can't say that's entirely accurate. We're always going to get people that live in a bubble and think immigrants ruin lives because they're not born to immigrants or never made friends with immigrants, they probably didn't spend enough time and appreciate cultural diversity's net positive effects. You should also be empathetic to them but I still think you should try coping with that depression, like maybe think about meds, drawing stuff, learning about community efforts to help others? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I'm working on being more active, but it'll probably be in 2021 or thereabouts. If you ever see reports about a young-ish guy who looks like a bum calling our government hypocrites and cowards and cussing near constantly, that might be me. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Why are you reverting stuff that isn't vandalism or trolling? ==
 
 
 
Seriously, this is why I had to anti-endorse you. For all the good you do for the wiki, you really need to remember that not everybody who isn't a daily editor or edits from an IP isn't a troll or a sock of one of your "pals." And the reason for the IP hopping is because I work somewhere that uses a BlueCoat device; a lot of companies use them. Have a nice day buddy. [[Special:Contributions/169.198.254.64|169.198.254.64]] ([[User talk:169.198.254.64|talk]]) 00:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Your aggression has been noted. Now, why do you assume I have a slant against IP editors? There numorious examples where I either patrolled an IP's edit or let another person who might be better informed deal with the edit. My current problem is that the Mod and board elections seem to attract what appear to be concern trolls, and your first edit consisting of using myself as a foil for your complaints seems... Iffy. Especially as you then admitted that I had naught to do with the matter. So, you see my dilemma now? I am not Oxy, and I do not appreciate being used as if I and she were one and the same. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Fair enough. It's just annoying that whenever I edit logged out (regardless of where I'm editing from) it seems I get mistaken for a troll. I get it, the trolls are annoying. But seriously, I'm just bored at work cause it is super slow right now, and I don't want my company looking into my political and religious opinions as expressed on RW (especially considering our CEO is a huge Trump supporter), nor do I care to have everybody getting excited and being like "OMG, you're back!" when I don't really intend to stick around. But I actually like you, I just think you're a bit quick on the trigger to be a mod, and that is meant as constructive criticism. As far as Ox goes, I'm not even going to go there because I've seen what happens when someone criticises her, and she does not take it well at all. Good luck in your race! [[Special:Contributions/169.198.254.64|169.198.254.64]] ([[User talk:169.198.254.64|talk]]) 00:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::And, 'generally rather than specifically speaking' some things are 'not in the spirit of RW/sufficiently on topic for the specific article.' [[User:Anna Livia|Anna Livia]] ([[User talk:Anna Livia|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Blocking==
 
What did you do that was different to what I did? (I am in favour of the week or month long block available elsewhere - long enough for the nuisances to get bored and go away). [[User:Anna Livia|Anna Livia]] ([[User talk:Anna Livia|talk]]) 13:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Anna Livia}} Which block? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Yo ==
 
 
 
Maybe I’m missing the nature of this page? Pick any of the Feser sources mentioned in the article, you’ll see how terribly off base the objection is. Why should we allow an objection to a non-existent argument? It just doesn’t seem right to make fun of someone for making a claim he never made, right? Or is the point to discredit him regardless of what he actually says? Why don’t we make fun of him for saying Santa Claus exists (who cares if he actually said it!)? {{unsig|86.8.201.56}}
 
 
 
== Why? ==
 
 
 
Why are you removing Dasnahmynay's post from the Saloon Bar. There is no reason for it so I have reinstated it. If you want it removed give a good reason. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 05:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Ace McWicked}} It looked like a concern troll. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 12:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::So? Just ignore it. Don’t start deleting comments just because you can’t follow the Don’t Feed The Troll mantra. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 19:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I'd rather not have concern troll shit clutter up the Bar thank you very much. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 19:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Talkpages, including the bar, are community property and as such comments should be left to stand as long as they don't contain racism, overt sexism etc etc. It's not the communities fault you can't ignore trolls. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 19:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Quoting from the community standards: ''[http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/wiki/RationalWiki:Community_Standards#Talk_pages ...users should not delete or change another user's comments on a talk or discussion page]''. There are exceptions but the exceptions do not cover suspected concern trolling. So leave comments alone and if you can't ignore comments like the one being discussed then you are on the wrong site. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 20:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Your obnoxious insistence we play by out-dated rules as if they were law is really pestering, as soon as someone does something you don't like you're there to hound them about it. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 09:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::Ace has a point to some degree. I disagree with his absolutist stance, but he does have a point. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::By “outdated rules” you mean “the actual rules” right? [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 19:23, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::::Does it not say right on the very guidelines page that "these rules are not binding and are only intended to serve as guidelines?" (slight paraphrasing) <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 20:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::::If you can't ignore simple trolls then this is the wrong site for you. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 21:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== My talkpage ==
 
 
 
You don't need to revert comments on my talkpage, I am adult enough to deal with trolls through not feeding them. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 21:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Ace McWicked}} I saw your edit summery. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Can never be too sure if anyone reads those or not. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 21:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I replied via joke block. Anyway, yeah... enjoy the drama. The last time I let them fight it out on my talkpage it took around a week to die down. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Elections ==
 
 
 
I was right that you'd win, wasn't I?
 
 
 
I wonder what's going to happen, now that Ace became a mod and Oxy didn't... [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 15:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Tinribmancer}} They'll likely keep going at it, and it should be the job of the Mods (other than, but possibly including Ace) to keep it under control. And yeah, apparently you were right. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 15:34, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Wow ==
 
 
 
So, I haven't been here in, like 2 days (I think). And in such a short time, The following things have occured:
 
 
 
1. Oxy LANCB'ed (which I saw coming)
 
 
 
2. DMorris was unbanned thanks to Ace's stupidity (and getting pretty defensive about it on his [[User_talk:Ace_McWicked#DMorris|talkpage]] (translated: "I'm [[Good old days|old guard]] and do not need to take orders from anyone that isn't old guard!"))
 
 
 
3. Coop case being open after 90 days or so (and I knew that the first new coop case was going to be Oxy vs. Ace. They've been bitch fighting, since before the elections)
 
 
 
Since I have no idea if this is possible, could Oxy open some sort of "mistrust case" towards Ace (Probably thinking too much in the politics area), and demand his Mod removal and being replaced by either Scream! or RightBlue Luigi? [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 20:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Bongolian}} {{ping|Spud}} {{ping|LeftyGreenMario}} Definitely. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 20:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::I don't know what "mistrust case" means. [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 20:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Is there even precedent for this sort of thing? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Was the original DMorris account permabanned? What was the account name? [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 20:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::{{ping|Bongolian}}Sorry, I meant "motion of confidence". [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 21:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::No, there's only the coop. Getting things approved by the coop can be difficult especially when there's no specific rules violation. [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 21:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::Coop me, bitches. If you want me removed from the mod position take me to the coop with specific breaches. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>Moderator</sup>]] 22:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
{{od}}Don't assume that I have an overarching opinion on this because I don't. I am trying to offer impartial advice and gather information at this point. [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 22:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:I just can't believe this shit is still going on and Oxy is spreading over multiple pages now. I'm just trying to get on with it. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>Moderator</sup>]] 22:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Just thought you might want to know. ==
 
 
 
Some moron started a [[RationalWiki:Chicken coop|coop]] case against you. Literally nobody cares, but you might want to respond.[[User:Summa Atheologica|Summa Atheologica]] ([[User talk:Summa Atheologica|talk]]) 18:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Scream!! leaves ==
 
 
 
http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/wiki/User:Scream!!
 
 
 
He's one of the [[RationalWiki:Moderator_elections/Results/Archive12|alternates]]. Does this mean that another alternate has to take his place? [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 14:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:As that was in 2015 I don't think it's really relevant, do you? [[User:Scream!!|Scream!!]] ([[User talk:Scream!!|talk]]) 14:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Why even keep it, if you're not LANCBing? [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 15:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::What have the contents of <big>'''my'''</big> user page got to do with you? [[User:Scream!!|Scream!!]] ([[User talk:Scream!!|talk]]) 16:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::What is it with old guards and acting like assholes? Old fossils seems like a better word.. [[User:Tinribmancer|Tinribmancer]] ([[User talk:Tinribmancer|talk]]) 16:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Who is acting like anything but a misreported and rather offended person? [[User:Scream!!|Scream!!]] ([[User talk:Scream!!|talk]]) 16:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Scream has a point. False alarm, everyone take a break, calm down, and drink some hard cider or other substance of choice. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 19:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Reverting on Mormonism ==
 
 
 
Hi! Just wondering why you reverted my edits on Mormonism. I'm newish to editing wikis, so if I did something wrong I'd love to know what. [[User:LiteralBird|LiteralBird]] ([[User talk:LiteralBird|talk]]) 19:42, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:It looked like you were whitewashing the article. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 19:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Hm, that wasn't my intention at all. I'm exmormon, actually. I noticed that the word of wisdom part was contradictory (it says abstinence from caffeine is a commandment, then later says that caffeinated cold beverages are not disallowed). So I thought I'd correct that while also clarifying the language, and more starkly pointing out the contradiction between Mormon scripture and actual Mormon practice. For the Homosexuality part, I thought it was important to add how the "same-sex attraction" language is a weird type of mind control that prevents gay Mormons from seeing gayness as an okay thing. I thought the distinction Mormonism makes between gay attraction/gay action was necessary context, as well as important for understanding homosexuality in Mormonism in general. Idk maybe I misunderstand the tone or purpose of rationalwiki, but I didn't think my edits were very controversial. [[User:LiteralBird|LiteralBird]] ([[User talk:LiteralBird|talk]]) 20:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Nah, you're fine. It's just that we get a lot of random people who try to whitewash articles. {{User:DuceMoosolini/Xmasig}} 20:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I'll revert my revert. Between your explanations and my double checking the changes, it appears I was in the wrong. Apologies. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No worries, thanks! [[User:LiteralBird|LiteralBird]] ([[User talk:LiteralBird|talk]]) 20:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Life ==
 
 
 
Morris still hasn't gotten one yet? Cool. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 18:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:Apparently this is a "war." And here I thought it was a tantrum... {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 04:24, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Wow. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 23:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::And he says ''we'' take ourselves too seriously. Please. {{User:DuceMoosolini/Xmasig}} 00:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::His one man circle-jerk is amazing. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 00:17, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Stop talking about him. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 02:01, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Look on the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7I6NYuJVCo bright side of life][[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Male circumcision ==
 
 
 
What is your rationalist's point of view on male circumcision?--[[Special:Contributions/84.147.35.201|84.147.35.201]] ([[User talk:84.147.35.201|talk]]) 06:49, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Why do you ask? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 16:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:: Because a rationalist is supposed to be against circumcision. --[[Special:Contributions/84.147.35.140|84.147.35.140]] ([[User talk:84.147.35.140|talk]]) 09:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Why are you asking me about circumcision out of the blue like this? What prompted this inquiry? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::: Sorry for late response. It is not because it's you, but because I wanted to ask a random administrator of RationalWiki (who happened to be you) to find out how rational RationalWiki is. One who is pro-circumcision tends to deny facts, believe more into pseudo-science and less into logic. One who is against it tends to be more of a rational and logical thinker. If you don't want to answer it, who do you suggest me to ask? --[[Special:Contributions/84.147.37.33|84.147.37.33]] ([[User talk:84.147.37.33|talk]]) 01:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Err... I'd like to see some data on that correlation... And proof of a causal link. Seriously, that sounds stupid. Holding a positive or negative opinion of circumcision has little to no correlation, let alone causation on one's mental facilities from... basically everything I've seen on the subject. I mean, your argument is a complete [[non sequitur]]. Which is a logical fallacy... {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:38, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::You're also likely invoking the [[No True Scotsman]] fallacy. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 02:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
::::I feel ''somebody'' had their weenie whittled when they were younger...... <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 15:29, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Another unkind cut?[[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 18:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::It's possible that BoN is a Nazi trying to poke his weenie into the flames here. The anti-circumcision movement has been adopted by some elements of the alt-right.[http://www.thedailybeast.com/andrew-yang-the-upstart-democratic-presidential-candidate-comes-out-against-circumcision] [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 19:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::Don't you mean "poke his weenie into the scalpels"? {{User:DuceMoosolini/sig}} 20:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== why revert me??? ==
 
 
 
Why me?  [[User:ikanreed|ikanreed]] <sup><u>[[user_talk:ikanreed|🐐Bleat at me]]</u></sup> 17:29, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|ikanreed}} Your comments will be re-instated shortly. Our free-speech advocate seems to have censored me for some weird reason that I totally can't understand... {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:32, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|ikanreed}} Your comments have been restored Comrade! Glory to the Revolution! {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 17:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Excommunication Nazism ==
 
Look up the excommunication decree of the German bishops of 1931.
 
 
 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4699-pope-pius-xii-hero-in-the-unmaking
 
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/83.128.99.144|83.128.99.144]] ([[User talk:83.128.99.144|talk]]) 23:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yeah... Citng a wingnut "news" site (go through their homepage) isn't helping your case. It also kind of hurts your case that the New American is founded and owned by the [[John Birch Society]]. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I cited the site cause it references Gary L. Krupp`s book. I am not a fan of the John Birch Society at all.
 
 
 
::Here is the book directly then.
 
 
 
::http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19168665-pope-pius-xii-and-world-war-ii
 
 
 
::It is referenced elsewhere btw.
 
 
 
::http://www.lucorg.com/news.php/news/4190
 
 
 
::[[Special:Contributions/83.128.99.144|83.128.99.144]] ([[User talk:83.128.99.144|talk]]) 00:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Here are further sources confirming the excommunication decrees of 1931:
 
 
 
:::http://books.google.nl/books?id=hpJQ0trLnqwC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=german+catholic+bishop+conference+1931+excommunication&source=bl&ots=FaMaCjl1lJ&sig=ACfU3U0sp6yO0ZXY7ErrswsSOmVBWwzT3w&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSn-KcpPrmAhXJLlAKHWh7AKMQ6AEwC3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=german%20catholic%20bishop%20conference%201931%20excommunication&f=false
 
 
 
:::I would look up Scholder, Klaus, The Churches and the Third Reich. [[Special:Contributions/83.128.99.144|83.128.99.144]] ([[User talk:83.128.99.144|talk]]) 00:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Then don't cite them. Seriously. If you have better sources, use them. A small number of decent to high quality sources is better than a large number of shoddy to outright discredited sources. As for people talking about the book, news stories talking about a controversial subject doesn't necessarily give me any relevant information on said subject. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Also please indent your comments, it prevents the thread from becoming a mess and means I don't have to do it for you. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Those next two sources only tell me the book was published. One is again, a news story that a controversial book was published, and the book itself gives me no information as to its historical accuracy. I am going through the fourth source now. Understand that while I may come off as harsh to you, I have been presented with books and documents on multiple occasions, each with their proponents, and many (though not all, and not examples have been on this site) turned out to be incorrect. Thus I exercise caution, rather than sensationalism. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 00:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::The fourth source concludes that the Pope ultimately did nothing. Not that he did nothing wrong, but that he decided to ultimately not stand at all on this matter. As for the 1931 letter, it appears that at best a group of Bavarian bishops stated that the Nazi "Kulturkampf" was incompatible with receiving sacraments, which '''is not''' a formal excommunication. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::::I did not mean to edit war but Gary L. Krupp is a valid historical source. Some of his claims may be disputed but so are some of the things that were said by Christopher Hitchens, John Lukacs and so forth. Do you have any historians or primary sources asserting the contrary? You may have been right it would have been better not to cite those sites, just wanted to show sites that referenced Krupp and confirmed what he said. The regular English Wikipedia also references the excommunication decree for what it`s worth,, (at least more than if Conservapedia said it of course). I understand your caution. I have a copy of the book at home actually. It directly quotes the excommunication decrees of the German bishops. I will try to find the drect texts if that`s ok, maybe we could discuss this further on the talkpage of PositiveChristianity. [[User:JohnLogan|JohnLogan]] ([[User talk:JohnLogan|talk]]) 10:28, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::::I found some additional sources used by the regular Wikipedia on this issue.
 
 
 
::::::::http://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-german-churches-and-the-nazi-state
 
 
 
::::::::Confirms some dioceses prohibited Nazi Party membership and refused the sacraments to Nazis.
 
 
 
::::::::John Cornwell affirmed this much:
 
 
 
::::::::"Into the early 1930s the German Centre Party, the German Catholic bishops, and the Catholic media had been mainly solid in their rejection of National Socialism. They denied Nazis the sacraments and church burials, and Catholic journalists excoriated National Socialism daily in Germany's 400 Catholic newspapers. The hierarchy instructed priests to combat National Socialism at a local level whenever it attacked Christianity."
 
 
 
::::::::http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/hitlerspope.htm
 
 
 
::::::::Obviously Cornwell is not an historian and a highly disputed figure but he is often supported by Pius critics so it does seem relevant here, especially since Christopher Hitchens relied on him quite a bit. Here is an additional source that is more specific, the Fulda and Freising conferences decided excommunication was needed in 1931.
 
 
 
::::::::http://books.google.nl/books?id=hpJQ0trLnqwC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=german+bishops+excommunication+1931&source=bl&ots=FaMaCms2mJ&sig=ACfU3U2pYlews0wiWFZqdvzDwgXaS5BMZg&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc_Lq8rvvmAhUGbVAKHWwmAOo4ChDoATASegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=german%20bishops%20excommunication%201931&f=false
 
 
 
::::::::I will also try to find Yad Vashem`s sources on this. [[User:JohnLogan|JohnLogan]] ([[User talk:JohnLogan|talk]]) 10:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::::::I restored the revision based on the additional sources but have no desire for edit warring. If you have sources to the contrary please prove them. However the English Wikipedia confirms that the Fulda and Freising conferences excommunicated active Nazis. This was also attested by Donald J. Dietrich. Please debate with me further if you wish on the talk page of the article. [[User:JohnLogan|JohnLogan]] ([[User talk:JohnLogan|talk]]) 11:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::Look, you seem like decent if a bit earnest, person. Krupp sounds like a well meaning person from what I've read of him. But, there are certain realities that cannot be overlooked. Firstly, no, the Vatican proper (as in the upper Cardinals and the Pope) did not excommunicate the Nazi leadership. That would have been a form of aggression by the church, and the church was officially neutral during WW2. Vatican City, being a semi-autonomous city-state doesn't have the military capacity to withstand an invasion, and is reliant on Italy to provide military aide. Given Italy was allied with Germany during WW2, it would have been unwise to openly challenge either power. It is also an unfortunate truth the Vatican was antisemitic as part of its official church doctrine. The whole "the Jews killed Jesus" thing... Though they were not alone in that regard as western society as a whole was much more antisemitic at that time. Finally, there is the fact that in the post-war years the church was '''notoriously''' stubborn about removing antisemitic doctrine from its teachings. Given I am writing this early in the morning without coffee there may be a some things I've missed, but at best you've got a scenario where the Catholic church didn't formally pick a side and as a result of both that, the news that they knew about the holocaust, and their post-war stubbornness to clean up their doctdrine, they ended up with a serious PR mess. That's at best. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Hello ==
 
 
 
What's with the hate boner for Styxhexenhammer? You seem very angry at him, very irrational[[Special:Contributions/108.208.14.123|108.208.14.123]] ([[User talk:108.208.14.123|talk]]) 12:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Other than when you show up to concern troll, or just outright troll given the aggression in most of your comments, I don't think of Stickyhooker888 at all. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 13:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Can I resume editing? ==
 
{{reply to|GrammarCommie}}
 
 
 
Hello. My ban just expired, so I was wondering can I resume editing? I promise never to welcome users again.
 
<span>[[User talk:DeanHinnen|Dino]]  (([[Special:Contributions/DeanHinnen|contribs]])) </span> 00:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yes, your block expired and you're free to edit. We appreciate your not welcoming spambots. [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 00:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|DeanHinnen}} Here's the thing. It wasn't that you "welcomed users", it was that you seemed to be going through the account creation log and copy/pasting a welcome template without really looking to see if they'd any edits yet, or if so of what nature. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:18, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Feminism ==
 
 
 
No, I just dislike people in general. -Xylophobe {{unsigned|Xylophobe}}
 
:{{ping|Xylophobe}} Elaborate. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Galileo Galilei Revision ==
 
 
 
On my edit you reversed the source was the same as my previous edit. As far as spelling goes wouldn't it be better to fix the spelling or tell me about it so I could fix it rather than revert it and remove context. If you would find my edit fixed by moving the source to the end of the paragraph and fixing spelling let me know post haste so I can preform the edit. <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] / [[User talk:Jkevo|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Jkevo|contribs]] </sup>
 
:Your edit made multiple unsourced assertions, including a tale involving a tangentially related individual. Cite sources. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/refusing-to-look/
 
 
 
Like I said it's the same source as the previous edit I made and it is one more source than the myth had, here are a few more:
 
 
 
http://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/newsletter/posts/2016/2016-05-12-Galileo.html
 
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Cremonini_(philosopher)
 
 
 
Galileo at Work: His Scientific Biography
 
 
 
Heilbron, John L. Galileo. Oxford University Press, 2010, 195-196.
 
 
 
while Wikipedia mentions a second person who denied to look I found no conformation or mention of this person and this may be due a miss reading of Galileo at Work: His Scientific Biography.
 
 
 
[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 04:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Edit request==
 
"You don't understand how evidence works at all, your proposed edits will be denied."
 
 
 
First that hardly seems like a reason to deny an edit. Further Could you please at least put your denial in my topic asking for an edit. If I can ask for a further pittance could you please give me the reason your denying additional context to explain the existence of a common myth. sorry for forgetting to sign my posts.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 03:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:No. If you're going to say "God is real" you're going to have to do better than over 200 (I'm being generous) years worth of theologians and apologists. You'll need groundbreaking evidence that revolutionizes almost every field of modern science, and no, the Bible doesn't count. You'll need multiple papers on multiple subjects run through the highest quality peer review journals out there. You got that? Nope? Tough shit. As for how parasocial connections to fictional characters work, I'm not going to continue repeating myself while you tell me that I'm blinded because I don't agree with you. Request denied. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
::you misunderstand I was never trying to propose an edit to Atheists hate god. I though you where trying to deny my Galileo Galilee edit. you can hopefully see my confusion. As far as apologists goes you can trace that back at least 2000 years. on the topic of science you are asking a tool that deals only in the natural to prove the super natural. science deals neither with the existence of god or all real things. to show my point, science dose not form the basis of  ether math or philosophy but it rests firmly on these topics those if your only measure of truth is science then science can not hold true. furthermore science merely deals with the arrangement of stuff and does not necessarily have a stake in the origin of stuff.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 03:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Science is all you've got for evidence. If there's no evidence for something, it's bullshit. Also, no, science is a process to evaluate evidence to determine what is true or false. So it would indeed deal in "''the origin of stuff''". And if doesn't have the info, I'm betting the rambling myths of a bunch of bronze age primitives which was then badly translated and edited (and proofread) into a complete work by Iron age priests (who had every fucking reason to say it was true since it was their fucking source of income) and then translated (again) into multiple languages under less than idea conditions, in secret, by fugitives from said church, for their own political ends, is going to have anything better. Basically what I'm saying is the people who wrote the Bible didn't know how gravity worked, let alone the origins of the universe. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 04:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::"Science is all you've got for evidence." and what evidence do you have for that? Also The new testament is one of if not the single best kept ancient manuscripts of all time with 24000 manuscripts written within a hundred years of the originals which in turn where written  between 40 and 80 years of the death of Christ. the manuscripts have contain from this time contain nearly the entire new testament. To claim our translations of the new testament is unreliable is deny almost all historical manuscripts before at least the printing press. Further more those iorn age priests at least at the beginning had no to proclaim Jesus as lord considering they could have merely been Jewish priests but instead chose to be tortured and eventually die because of their convictions. You seem to not know even the basics of apologetics but still you dismiss them out of hand. If you are to insult my intelligence and the intelligence of all who believe as I do could you at least skim the material you pass judgment on. It only seems to be the rational thing to do. <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] / [[User talk:Jkevo|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Jkevo|contribs]] </sup>
 
:::::"''Further more those iorn age priests at least at the beginning had no to proclaim Jesus as lord considering they could have merely been Jewish priests but instead chose to be tortured and eventually die because of their convictions.''" Firstly, those weren't the ones I was referring to, that would be the Vatican. Secondly, you can be wrong and die for shitty beliefs, just ask ISIS. Whether they died nobly doesn't matter one iota, what matters is what is presented as evidence. You still got nothing but a Book and if you don't show better I'll start sending you other creation myths. As for reading the Bible, I've read it multiple times. That's the main reason I'm not a Christian anymore. Finally, half the New Testament is apocrypha depending on which version of the Bible you use, so much for perfectly preserved. I mean that by the way, between the various version of the Bible (not counting complications from languages) there's a fair number of books in the average Bible that are considered apocrypha by that version alone. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 04:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::First you didn't answer my question. What is your evidence for the statement "Science is all you've got for evidence."? Do you not have one because it's a self defeating assertion? second I agree you can die for shitty and wrong beliefs but for what reason would the apostles die for something they know is a lie considering they all claimed to know Jesus and said they saw him post resurrection. thirdly The bible is not the beginning and end of apologetics. There is this process called biblical criticism which is used to understand what the bible was trying to say those who wrote it and what it is trying to tell us now. Forth The whole new testament better be apocrypha considering biblical apocrypha means early writings by the church about Jesus and apostles lives and teachings. The apocrypha that does not appear in the bible does not because they are not written by  or with the help of first hand sources. We know that the 27 books of the new testament are reliable sources of first century Christianity.  If you want more than textual criticism and historical points here is a philosophical point.
 
 
 
::::::When we measure heat we measure from some know points. we ether use use freezing/boiling point of liquids or the absolute ends of what is possible. All of these points give us reference to where we are absolutely on the scale from coldest possible to hottest possible and allows us to determine whether some things are hotter or colder than a given temperature. similarly we measure morality on a scale with some actions being worse or better. But we run into a problem when we try to reference the scale. The scale is not grounded in physicality. Their are no "good" vibrations or "bad" particles. We are forced to ask to what is the morality scale grounded. Is grounded in human understanding of good and evil? It can't be because their exist people who think baby murder is just dandy while Most everybody else dose not. That is to say p and not p are true if we take this as our grounding which violates the axiom of non-contradistinction. Is morality a false scale that is it is a delusion? If it is then every thing is permitted and nothing is truly wrong. No one actually believes this to be true given that their is something you could do that they would say is wrong. The last option is that the scale in some way supernatural. this would if true seem to be evidence for theism in some form given atheism seems to deny the supernatural. This is all to say that given our current understanding of science and philosophy it is either the case we all suffer from a mass delusion or we have evidence for at least one supernatural thing that would conform to theistic belief. give that the former casts doubt on our ability to know it would seem the latter is a more reasonable choice. [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 06:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::My evidence is no one's proven that there's another viable method for determining truth from fiction than testing evidence, developing hypotheses, test those hypotheses, and developing working theories. Or, you ain't met your burden of proof. I know because you've been trying to do that this whole time. "''second I agree you can die for shitty and wrong beliefs but for what reason would the apostles die for something they know is a lie considering they all claimed to know Jesus and said they saw him post resurrection.''" You haven't proven they even existed, let alone were correct in their beliefs. You aren't even close to being right. Not by a massive margin. "''thirdly The bible is not the beginning and end of apologetics. There is this process called biblical criticism which is used to understand what the bible was trying to say those who wrote it and what it is trying to tell us now. Forth The whole new testament better be apocrypha considering biblical apocrypha means early writings by the church about Jesus and apostles lives and teachings. The apocrypha that does not appear in the bible does not because they are not written by or with the help of first hand sources. We know that the 27 books of the new testament are reliable sources of first century Christianity.''" I'll address this as one point that's what it is. The Bible is a novel. I own tons of them. '''Furthermore''' which Bible? Eastern Orthodox? Catholic? Protestant? King James? New King James? So many conflicting works all claiming to be the one true message, but many conflicting... Meaning you're nowhere close to being able to use a Bible as the starting point in your search for truth (Though why you want to use a crappy ripoff of the Epic of Gilgamesh is beyond me) let alone arriving at an ironclad conclusion.
 
::::::::Oh?... *He smiles wickedly* Are we doing the morality argument? Hehehe... Ok! If God is the basis of all morality then is killing your child if God commands you to morally good? (We'll assume God exists for the sake of argument, which your argument doesn't prove by the way.) Further, are things morally correct because God says they are or because we can determine the truth of whether they are morally correct on our own? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 12:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::"My evidence is no one's proven that there's another viable method for determining truth from fiction than testing evidence, developing hypotheses, test those hypotheses, and developing working theories." and how did you come to know this to be truth and not fiction? You are making a claim about the way we should test truth. I now ask you to test the truth of the claim by it's own sword and indeed we find it wanting. What you are engaged in is scientism. You define the world as having nothing outside of material things axiomatically and then demand proof of the things outside of material things when their is no proof which will satisfy you. This debate has been one sided I've provided arguments and evidence for my position while you have merely denied with unfounded assertions.
 
 
 
:::::::::Your willful ignorance of the bible and textual criticism and history is galling. If you feel the modern translations are unfaithful to the original you can read the original Hebrew and Greek. The bible has many historically verifiable events and further it has internal factors that point towards being a reliable telling of history.Here are four things almost everybody agrees on.
 
 
 
:::::::::1. Jesus died on the cross and was buried.
 
 
 
:::::::::2. Jesus’s tomb was empty and no one ever produced His body.
 
 
 
:::::::::3. Jesus’s disciples believed that they saw Jesus resurrected from the dead.
 
 
 
:::::::::4. Jesus’s disciples were transformed following their alleged resurrection observations.
 
 
 
:::::::::Can you give me an explanation for what happened?
 
 
 
::::::::: The answer to your question is quite simple things are morally correct because they are what's best for us. God created us and the universe so he knows what is best for use and he does not lie and he is all loving so when he tells use to do something it is ether something that will be good for us or a test which will reveal a greater good. Let us take Abraham. God asked him to go up on a mountain and sacrifice his son. When he got their he was told to stop and instead was instructed to sacrifice a goat. His faith was tested and a great truth was revealed God does not want human sacrifice. In a region with a lot of human sacrifice the Jewish people did not participate. Now I'm not saying anyone who hears a voice in their head ought to act on it after all their is evil in the world. [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 20:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::Are you a troll? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:13, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::No, are you?[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 20:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::Are you sure? Because you're acting like a stereotype of a Presuppositionalist apologist who hasn't done any research on this topic whatsoever. If you're a troll trying to prank me please drop the act and let me know. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:41, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::: "Presuppositionalist apologist who hasn't done any research on this topic whatsoever." says the man who claims the new testament isn't reliably translated. I have both gone to collage for philosophy and Do ongoing study of apologetics both  from the textual criticism angle and the philosophical/scientific angle.
 
::::::::::::::Appealing to your own authority is still an appeal to authority. Nor does going to a college mean getting a degree, nor does having a degree de facto make you an expert. I say this partly because your earlier argument was... Well it was stupid. Which university by the way? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::I was not Appealing to my authority to say i'm right I was merely pointing out I have some amount of education on the topic. I mean you literally called me uneducated on the topics. If you feel i'm being stupid please enlighten me on how. WWU.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 21:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::::::Point one, You've proven nothing. This isn't denial, this is pointing out that you haven't proven anything.
 
::::::::::::::::Point two, even if the resurrection story is correct (which we have no evidence for outside of the Bible, thus making it unfalsifiable.) That doesn't prove God exists. It at most proves a dead guy stopped being dead, full stop. You'd need another set of evidence to prove God exists. Then more to prove what God's personality, if any, is like. Then another to prove heaven exists. Then another to prove what that's like. And so fourth and so on. You see what you're up against now? I haven't seen any of that in the years I've spent listening to people argue their religions to me. Not once. Sure, I've seen what amounts to hypotheticals, but they aren't logically sound. They're based on presupposition, or ignorance, or attempts at clever word play, etc. And given such a supposedly simple thing shouldn't be so hard to prove, I went from believer, to nonbeliever, to convinced that believers didn't have shit in the way of evidence.
 
::::::::::::::::Let's take this: "''God asked him to go up on a mountain and sacrifice his son. When he got their he was told to stop and instead was instructed to sacrifice a goat. His faith was tested and a great truth was revealed God does not want human sacrifice. In a region with a lot of human sacrifice the Jewish people did not participate.''" Why? Why would an all knowing all loving god do this? Why not just tell people "don't do human sacrifice"? I mean, That sounds so convoluted and stupid. Why are you not bothered that ABRAHAM WAS JUST FINE AND DANDY WITH OFFING HIS KID BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD HIM TO? Seriously. How is that different than the multiple cases of child abuse we see today? Exlain that to me. Explain how you know it really happened. Use your fucking brain and think for a fucking second. Don't barf up another spoonfed line. I've heard them all by now. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:52, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::::You know what? If it's so easy, prove God is real without using the Bible, at all. That includes indirect references by the way. If the facts are on your side it should be easy enough. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 21:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::::: First thank you for reverting the block. I will lay to a brif over veiw of a set of arguments that point to a god if we are to get more specific than that we must test each religion's claims against these arguments. The most sound forms of the cosmological argument gives reason to at least believe in an uncaused cause and in addition might point towards that cause being personal.The fine tuning argument point toward a designer and to avoid a regress of infinite designers we must to come to the conclusion that their is an undesigned designer. The argument from morality points to their being at least one thing that is supernatural and further we know that inanimate objects can't be good or evil so the thing we pin our scale to must be an actor. Now given these three arguments it seems there are two competing explanations the naturalistic one and the super-naturalistic ones. Either the universe just is and we exist by blind chance and are all delusional or There is some being who is the uncaused cause and undesigned designer and arbiter of morality. I and many other just don't find the first explanation compelling and we don't hold naturalism axiomatically so we see no reason why we ought to deny the existence of a being we would call a god. Now as far as God as described in the bible goes he seams to be the best fit for these and other observations.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 22:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::::::::So. Remember that whole thing about spoonfed lines? Yeah you just did that. Your overall argument relies on leaps of logic and non sequiturs to connect its component parts. However, I'll be generous and ignore that for now. Walk me through the cosmological argument. How do you know the universe had a cause? How do you know that the universe didn't create itself via an as yet unexplained physics? How exactly does any cause relate to us as individuals on a personal level? Remember, you haven't proven God is real at this stage of your argument, nor that such a thing is even possible. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 23:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::::::::: Everything that comes into being has a cause. If it is otherwise then conservation of mass/energy does not hold. For example if a gear begins to turn without a cause mechanical energy has been created. If the first premises is true then it is either the case that their is an infinite stirring of causes stretching back forever or a finite string stretching back a finite amount of time. If it is the case that there is an infinite stirring of causes stretching back forever then we shouldn't exist because there are an infinite amount of causes before use which can not be transversed in a finite amount of time that is to say our place in causality can never be reached.  Therefore there are a finite amount of causes before us which means There is some first cause and by the nature of being first this cause  is uncaused. this first cause either has agency or it doesn't that is it is personal or it's not. If it doesn't have agency we are forced to ask  why are we at this point in the causal chain and not an earlier or later point. If something could be otherwise it implies either a cause or an agent is involved. So it is either the case that their is some inherent reason that the first cause acted when it did or the first cause is an agent. It could go either way but I find agency to be the most reasonable explanation. [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 00:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::::::::::::Don't pin your hopes on Aristotle. That "everything has a cause" is an assumption not currently held in physics. This fact has been known since the early 20th century. Here is Bertrand Russell giving the bad news to F.C. Copleston
 
<youtube>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E</youtube> [[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 00:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:The point of the argument is to show that it is not the case that "everything has a cause" indeed it tries to show that at least one thing is uncaused. If causality dose not hold true then large swaths of science if not the hole enterprise is a sham. First of all conservation of mass/energy is wrong and so to is anything based on it. Large swaths of physics, chemistry, and biology need to be rewritten at the least. Further any from of indirect observation is out because our observation could be uncaused.  Our observations may just be random noise from witch we pick unconnected patterns from. So exo-astronomy, sub-atomics,and all related fields need to be thrown in the trash. What you are suggesting is sophistry of the highest order.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 01:42, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::You haven't demonstrated that whatever caused the universe to exist lacks a cause, you merely asserted that there is an uncaused cause. But by the logic of your premise it too must therefor have a cause, ergo whatever caused the universe has a cause, and so forth and so on indefinitely. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::The causes go back indefinitely then how did we get here? If what you say is true there are an infinite amount of causle states before us each of witch must be transvered before we come into being but you cant transverse an infinite series.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 02:15, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, people say that, but nobody bothers to prove it. On the other hand 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 +....+ 1/2<sup>n</sup>+... = 2.  By the way, a witch is a supernatural human with magical powers. [[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 02:33, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Actually you can, it just takes awhile. And you haven't proven a prime mover yet. So we're still at the "everything must have a cause, ergo" stage. 02:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::If you start counting you will not ever count to infinite. In the same way moving through a set of causle states will never get you a infinite set of causle states. 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 +....+ 1/2<sup>n</sup>+... = 2 is a statement that the series trends toward two and is not a reflection of transvereing the set. take this set 1 - 2 + 4 - 8 + 16<sup>n</sup>+... = ?. Their is no answer but if we can transverse infinites we ought to be able to find an answer.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 03:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::Pi goes on indefinitely. Besides which, you yourself argued that all thing must have a cause. Why exactly, is your prime mover an exemption from this rule? {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::No I argued that all things the come into being have a cause. The prime mover necessarily always exists and thus never comes into being. Also I did not say that infinite series can't be defined merely that you can't transverse them. <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] / [[User talk:Jkevo|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Jkevo|contribs]] </sup>
 
:::::::::You can't prove either of those two claims. You have to assume they are true. Not being able to count to infinity is not a proof of anything except that the natural numbers is an infinite set.  I have no idea what you mean by "traverse infinities." This is what we, in the math department,  call mumbo jumbo. The expression you typed out is not a set. It is not even a well defined series. Perhaps you meant to sum the sequence { 1/ (-2)<sup>n</sup>}. That series  sums to 2/3.  [[User:Ariel31459|Ariel31459]] ([[User talk:Ariel31459|talk]]) 03:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::So the Prime mover doesn't exist, gotcha. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 03:36, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::: To transverse an infinity is to go from one end of an infinite to the other like going from 1 to the last number in the set of all natural numbers. The problem being that their is no end hence you can not transverse it. No the series I was describing was the sigma of infinite series, n=0, (-2)^n. that equation is divergent and does not trend positive or negative.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 04:54, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::So... The prime mover doesn't exist and the universe is infinite. Gotcha. Just to remind you, you were trying to show me a comprehensive theory that would prove to me that God exists. So far I've seen a lot of hypotheticals that I've seen before but nothing connecting "All things must have a cause" (which you haven't really proved but I'll let that slide as I have some other points you've tried to make.) to "an unmoved mover". I'm not impressed so far, but please continue. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 05:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::That not what I said at all. I said that if there are an infinite amount of causle states that must happen prior to our current state then we can never come to exist because the infinity of states can't be crossed. given we do exist that means their are a finite amount of causle states that exist prior to us. If a finite amount of causle states that exist prior to us there is necessarily a first state with at least one first cause witch is necessarily uncaused. Also All things must have a cause =/= all thing that come into being must have a cause.[[User:Jkevo|Jkevo]] ([[User talk:Jkevo|talk]]) 05:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Discord ==
 
 
 
What's your account name and numbers on Discord? I wanna invite you to the [[User:Oxyaena/Corn|Secret Club]], but we're not friends on Discord and I`m not willing to take any chances posting the invite publicly. <span>— [[User:Oxyaena|<font color="Absolute Zero">'''Oxyaena'''</font>]] [[User talk:Oxyaena|<font color="Magenta"><i><sup>Harass</sup></i></font>]] </span> 12:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Bad action by admin. ==
 
 
 
Why are you allowing trolls and vandals to insert false and unsourced information into the article while suppressing my sourced scientific papers? You could have locked the topic without reverting my edit. Go look closer at the actual edits and what you reverted.
 
http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=Judaism&action=history <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[Special:Contributions/70.55.205.80|70.55.205.80]] / [[User talk:70.55.205.80|talk]] </sup>
 
:Standard practice is to revert the article to the state it was in before the dispute arose. Take it to the article's talkpage, blah blah blah. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 20:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Mark Passio==
 
 
 
Why did you remove him ??? [[Special:Contributions/65.92.108.138|65.92.108.138]] ([[User talk:65.92.108.138|talk]]) 19:18, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:I did not "remove him", I moved the article about him into draftspace because it wasn't ready for publication. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 19:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Award==
 
Re: [http://rationalwiki.nom.pw/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Missconnay&curid=205411&diff=2156219&oldid=2156140 this]
 
 
 
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Despite upholding the highest qualities of the RationalWiki community, you upset a crazy person.
 
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—[[User:Cosmikdebris|Cosmikdebris]] ([[User talk:Cosmikdebris|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:"Despite" or "Because of"? [[User:Bongolian|Bongolian]] ([[User talk:Bongolian|talk]]) 00:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:Has this award always been a thing? Because it’s so goddamn good.{{User:DuceMoosolini/sig}} 00:46, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|DuceMoosolini}} I originally intended for this to be a one-off award, but since you asked... see [[Template:CrazyEditorAward]]. --[[User:Cosmikdebris|Cosmikdebris]] ([[User talk:Cosmikdebris|talk]]) 01:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Blessed {{User:DuceMoosolini/sig}} 02:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
==And they're back==
 
 
 
That "Research the Holocaust" clown you blocked came back under [[User:Israel_did_911]]. <span style="color:#FF4000;">—<b>[[User:Vermilion|<span style="color:#FF4000;">Vermilion</span>]]</b> ([[User talk:Vermilion|<span style="color:#FF4000;">talk</span>]])</span> 05:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Are you serious??? ==
 
 
 
Ahem... You deleted an IGMChicago survey from sources because: "Questions in surveys use loaded language, no transparency for donors." Do you know what IGM Chicago is? It is an research center that hosts pollsIt is a poll of academic economists. And you deleted that because you think that those economists are paid to say something? <sup>&mdash; Unsigned, by: [[User:Unski|Unski]] / [[User talk:Unski|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Unski|contribs]] </sup>
 
:{{ping|Unski}} You have an unfortunate habit of forgetting to sign your posts when you get upset. On to the subject matter... If a private think tank does not disclose donors or engage in transparency, it creates an impression of impropriety and conflicts of interest. Whether those impressions are founded or not is meaningless when the actions of the subject consistently give those impressions. Further, the surveys in question do indeed utilize loaded language in their questions, which in turn would skew the data gathered. I however, did leave the other citations that I haven't finished reviewing. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 15:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|GrammarCommie}} Sorry about forgetting to sign. Like you probably see, I just made this profile, although I have been an active reader of this site for about 5 years. But again... It is IGM Chicago ffs. Do you think the wording affects the opinion of trained and widely published economists view of free trade? Many of whom are Nobel winners. And it is not a think thank. It is research center of Chicago university. [[User:Unski|Unski]] ([[User talk:Unski|talk]]) 16:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Since cognitive bias is a thing? Yes. Again, it is better to do due diligence than create even the impression of impropriety. Also, attempting to wave around their awards is meaningless. I don't care about awards, I care about what can be established as facts via evidence. Finally, while you are correct that IGM is not a think tank per se, as a private institution it does operate as a think tank. {{User:GrammarCommie/sig}} 16:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 

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